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	<title>Comments on: More on that bisexual bishop</title>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://www.getreligion.org/?p=3482&#038;cpage=1#comment-123425</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 15:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry S worte the message above to which I add &quot;Amen.&quot;</description>
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		<title>By: Barry S.</title>
		<link>http://www.getreligion.org/?p=3482&#038;cpage=1#comment-123418</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 13:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I usually don&#039;t write in to these blogs, but this one has caught my attention. I am a member of Church, it doesn&#039;t matter what faith, we serve the same God. What a person does in the privacy of their own home is one thing. But, to make it public is another. To be proud of your homosexuality or bisexuality is wrong in itself, but to be a leader of the Church and blantantly admit this, is not just wrong, it&#039;s against what God has instituted. God has made clear that woman was created for man and because we want to do what we want to do, God has also given us the priviledge to choose to serve Him or ourselves. What this man has done is pervert and twist his obligation to be a servant into an opportunity to serve his own lust for selfishness. Him and his offspring are saying that this kind of behavior is acceptable. The question is: what did he become a man of the cloth for in the first place ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I usually don&#8217;t write in to these blogs, but this one has caught my attention. I am a member of Church, it doesn&#8217;t matter what faith, we serve the same God. What a person does in the privacy of their own home is one thing. But, to make it public is another. To be proud of your homosexuality or bisexuality is wrong in itself, but to be a leader of the Church and blantantly admit this, is not just wrong, it&#8217;s against what God has instituted. God has made clear that woman was created for man and because we want to do what we want to do, God has also given us the priviledge to choose to serve Him or ourselves. What this man has done is pervert and twist his obligation to be a servant into an opportunity to serve his own lust for selfishness. Him and his offspring are saying that this kind of behavior is acceptable. The question is: what did he become a man of the cloth for in the first place ?</p>
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		<title>By: buck</title>
		<link>http://www.getreligion.org/?p=3482&#038;cpage=1#comment-123374</link>
		<dc:creator>buck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 02:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
But is anybody surprised that people who believe in the historic Christian understanding of human sexuality are, well, consistent about it?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Don&#039;t you mean historic Christian &lt;em&gt;mis-&lt;/em&gt;understanding of human sexuality? How much more perverse can one get than the Catholic proscription of marriage for priests? And what about the Original Sin? The rest of the Christian denominations did not exactly put a lot of distance on this issue between themselves and Catholics until recently.

Another point is that you did entirely miss the purpose of Moore&#039;s book. It is not meant to be a scandalous revelation of secret salacious details of her father&#039;s life. Her point should be clear--one can only condemn the publication if (s)he is ashamed of the legacy. But if you simply look at it as a complete account of the man, warts and all, you might be able to understand him better. It is ironic that those without an open mind want others to keep their mouths shut as to not upset the delicate balance they have constructed in their mythical reality.</description>
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But is anybody surprised that people who believe in the historic Christian understanding of human sexuality are, well, consistent about it?</p></blockquote>
<p>Don&#8217;t you mean historic Christian <em>mis-</em>understanding of human sexuality? How much more perverse can one get than the Catholic proscription of marriage for priests? And what about the Original Sin? The rest of the Christian denominations did not exactly put a lot of distance on this issue between themselves and Catholics until recently.</p>
<p>Another point is that you did entirely miss the purpose of Moore&#8217;s book. It is not meant to be a scandalous revelation of secret salacious details of her father&#8217;s life. Her point should be clear&#8212;one can only condemn the publication if (s)he is ashamed of the legacy. But if you simply look at it as a complete account of the man, warts and all, you might be able to understand him better. It is ironic that those without an open mind want others to keep their mouths shut as to not upset the delicate balance they have constructed in their mythical reality.</p>
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		<title>By: tioedong</title>
		<link>http://www.getreligion.org/?p=3482&#038;cpage=1#comment-123356</link>
		<dc:creator>tioedong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 23:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many of these &quot;affairs&quot; were with parishoners or with those he counseled?

If this was a Catholic priest, he&#039;d be sued for sexual harassment and end up laicized with the press all over him.

 If this was a physician, he&#039;d lose his license to practice medicine. 

But if you are an Episcopalian priest who ordains lesbians (and presumably supports abortion) then you get a pass on exploiting women? How many did he give VD to? And this sort of lifestyle is associated with booze and drugs...gets a pass on this too I guess.

The article mentions nine kids? were these all by the same women? Or did he have a menagerie of wives like Bishop Pike?

His daughter calls this a &quot;love story&quot;...abused and neglected kids often &quot;love&quot; the abuser, which is why they end up psychologically messed up by their sociopathic parents...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many of these &#8220;affairs&#8221; were with parishoners or with those he counseled?</p>
<p>If this was a Catholic priest, he&#8217;d be sued for sexual harassment and end up laicized with the press all over him.</p>
<p> If this was a physician, he&#8217;d lose his license to practice medicine. </p>
<p>But if you are an Episcopalian priest who ordains lesbians (and presumably supports abortion) then you get a pass on exploiting women? How many did he give VD to? And this sort of lifestyle is associated with booze and drugs&#8230;gets a pass on this too I guess.</p>
<p>The article mentions nine kids? were these all by the same women? Or did he have a menagerie of wives like Bishop Pike?</p>
<p>His daughter calls this a &#8220;love story&#8221;&#8230;abused and neglected kids often &#8220;love&#8221; the abuser, which is why they end up psychologically messed up by their sociopathic parents&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: FW Ken</title>
		<link>http://www.getreligion.org/?p=3482&#038;cpage=1#comment-123321</link>
		<dc:creator>FW Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 17:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does that matter, Will? Do you think a public figure can&#039;t have a private life? Why do you think his private behavior is any of your business? 

Full disclosure: I think the bishop violated the hell out of his marriage and ordination vows. I deplore his theology and his behavior. But more so, I deplore the fact that I know about his behavior, which bears on nothing he did or said in public. 

His theology, and publics acts are another matter.  Everyone knew Ellen Barrett was a partnered lesbian. At the ordination, she introduced her lover to the congregation as &quot;an integral part of my ministry&quot; (or words to that effect). That, and the bishop&#039;s public public support for gay/lesbian rights are fair game for discussion. Behavior he kept private was a family matter and should not be bandied about publically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does that matter, Will? Do you think a public figure can&#8217;t have a private life? Why do you think his private behavior is any of your business? </p>
<p>Full disclosure: I think the bishop violated the hell out of his marriage and ordination vows. I deplore his theology and his behavior. But more so, I deplore the fact that I know about his behavior, which bears on nothing he did or said in public. </p>
<p>His theology, and publics acts are another matter.  Everyone knew Ellen Barrett was a partnered lesbian. At the ordination, she introduced her lover to the congregation as &#8220;an integral part of my ministry&#8221; (or words to that effect). That, and the bishop&#8217;s public public support for gay/lesbian rights are fair game for discussion. Behavior he kept private was a family matter and should not be bandied about publically.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://www.getreligion.org/?p=3482&#038;cpage=1#comment-123309</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 15:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What matters is that Moore witheld his personal &quot;stake&quot; when he made statements like &quot;Sex in homosexual or heterosexual relationships can be sinful, but it need not be.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What matters is that Moore witheld his personal &#8220;stake&#8221; when he made statements like &#8220;Sex in homosexual or heterosexual relationships can be sinful, but it need not be.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kristin</title>
		<link>http://www.getreligion.org/?p=3482&#038;cpage=1#comment-123274</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 07:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&amp;friendid=373653724


THAT IS NOT OK.</description>
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<p>THAT IS NOT OK.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://www.getreligion.org/?p=3482&#038;cpage=1#comment-123269</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 06:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donald Ahrens wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;It is a real shame that the leaders of the Episcopal Church do things before it is even OKed by the church&lt;/blockquote&gt;

For those of us who were Episcopalians but now are Anglicans, or Anglo-Catholics, or CANA folk, or Network folk, or .... you get the point [or don&#039;t]... it&#039;s not nor will it ever be a matter of something &quot;oked by the church.&quot; 

It&#039;s what is &quot;oked&quot; by God that matters, and the road map is in Holy Scripture.

The young woman who wrote this story is grieving in her own way. She for a man, the rest of us for a denomination. 

Time to move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donald Ahrens wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>It is a real shame that the leaders of the Episcopal Church do things before it is even OKed by the church</p></blockquote>
<p>For those of us who were Episcopalians but now are Anglicans, or Anglo-Catholics, or CANA folk, or Network folk, or &#8230;. you get the point [or don&#8217;t]&#8230; it&#8217;s not nor will it ever be a matter of something &#8220;oked by the church.&#8221; </p>
<p>It&#8217;s what is &#8220;oked&#8221; by God that matters, and the road map is in Holy Scripture.</p>
<p>The young woman who wrote this story is grieving in her own way. She for a man, the rest of us for a denomination. </p>
<p>Time to move on.</p>
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		<title>By: FW Ken</title>
		<link>http://www.getreligion.org/?p=3482&#038;cpage=1#comment-123256</link>
		<dc:creator>FW Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 03:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My problem with the coverage of this story is the coverage of this story. It&#039;s indecent: the man is dead, for God&#039;s sake, and should be left to rest. What kind of sick impulse drove Honor Moore to make public what her father kept private? It&#039;s not like his theology and life were at odds. There seems to be no hypocrisy to expose, just salacious gossip.

Is there no privacy to be had even in death?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My problem with the coverage of this story is the coverage of this story. It&#8217;s indecent: the man is dead, for God&#8217;s sake, and should be left to rest. What kind of sick impulse drove Honor Moore to make public what her father kept private? It&#8217;s not like his theology and life were at odds. There seems to be no hypocrisy to expose, just salacious gossip.</p>
<p>Is there no privacy to be had even in death?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 02:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;How about instead of a vague reference to unnamed people debating whether Moore broke his vows, Yabroff actually talk to some of these people to find out what theyâ€™re talking about?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It might also uncover whether Honor Moore was being accurate when she said the critics of her father&#039;s personal life were the same people who criticized his lesbian ordination. Promiscuity and homosexuality are different things, and some of those critics might have rejected the one and embraced the other, had Yabroff asked them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>How about instead of a vague reference to unnamed people debating whether Moore broke his vows, Yabroff actually talk to some of these people to find out what theyâ€™re talking about?</p></blockquote>
<p>It might also uncover whether Honor Moore was being accurate when she said the critics of her father&#8217;s personal life were the same people who criticized his lesbian ordination. Promiscuity and homosexuality are different things, and some of those critics might have rejected the one and embraced the other, had Yabroff asked them.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Ahrens</title>
		<link>http://www.getreligion.org/?p=3482&#038;cpage=1#comment-123238</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald Ahrens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 01:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a real shame that the leaders of the Episcopal Church  do things before it is even OKed by the church. I can disagree with somebody  without destroying the credibillity of the church in general. The last thing that the Episcapalians need is more controvercy. All the people need is to hear the wonderous love of Jesus.  God Bless</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a real shame that the leaders of the Episcopal Church  do things before it is even OKed by the church. I can disagree with somebody  without destroying the credibillity of the church in general. The last thing that the Episcapalians need is more controvercy. All the people need is to hear the wonderous love of Jesus.  God Bless</p>
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