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		<title>By: Cathy Lane</title>
		<link>http://www.getreligion.org/?p=3507&#038;cpage=1#comment-124928</link>
		<dc:creator>Cathy Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 19:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading blog from another website where bloggers self-debated relativism of the poster, I was a little astonished, but mollified to see the poster seemed to be designed for an audience of those from Kentucky, which might be taken a peg above Virginia in demographics of school education levels achievements. That last was a nasty piece of my generalization meant to deliberately offend and shock, to bring attention to the thought that perhaps, the campaign manager was posting ads for a different audiences. I should think that political campaigns have to bring all types of issues out, especially in one lasting as long as the present one. 

Then, I read a blog from others citing the poster was further evidence that the antiChrist has arrived or whose arrival is imminent, whoever he/she was/is and thought what a load of hogwash, and I mean fresh off the farm. 

Why try to comb the Holy Word to find analogies between a possible future political leader and the biblical truths?  This is USA, right?  We&#039;re not talking different galaxies? Dooowwoooddooo? 

Who in the name of democracy has to have the presidency wrapped up in a neat little package before election?  We&#039;re talking a future political leader, without ANY discernible leanings toward fascism, communism, nor a religious agenda. With Obama, we&#039;re talking about a fresh-faced, newcomer necessarily, without a lot of underhanded baggage, with a lot of innate intelligence and wisdom as evidenced by his helpful, positivity and bringing hope that something in Washington will be either changed, overturned, or accomplished with regard to that old boy network of doing business as evidenced by many of the deeply ingrained unjust ways of doing business there. 

For me, he stands for increased and more equitable distribution of wealth and respect in this country, for the people that actually work to increase the living standards in the US, and standing of US in the world. 

Don&#039;t tell me that Iacocca and the other scoundrels like him who were so overglorified in 1976 represented the best interests of the US and the company for which he was CEO when he received billions and millions as bicentennial posterboy?  Sure, he stood on Ellis Island with his fist full, but did he share with the the people that actually worked for that automobile manufacturing company, who needed pensions, and health insurance and a viable job?  

Talk all one wants about any angle on the grafters, but the highest paid who do nothing, deserve nothing, and my hope and expectation is to see a little of that change if Obama is elected. I would not see any more fair redistribution of the country&#039;s resources with McCain, nor with a Clinton who is too busy paying lip-service to older women and adolescent girls. 

As far as I&#039;m concerned, the poster is a art poster. It&#039;s design was meant to reassure those that have a little trouble understanding logic in the form of reasonableness, that Obama probably has the required amount of credible beliefs in Higher Powers as anyone else in this country with freedom of religion, and has chosed to respect a deity, in defiance of those who choose not to believe that a relatively young politician would not have both admirable personal as well as leadership qualities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading blog from another website where bloggers self-debated relativism of the poster, I was a little astonished, but mollified to see the poster seemed to be designed for an audience of those from Kentucky, which might be taken a peg above Virginia in demographics of school education levels achievements. That last was a nasty piece of my generalization meant to deliberately offend and shock, to bring attention to the thought that perhaps, the campaign manager was posting ads for a different audiences. I should think that political campaigns have to bring all types of issues out, especially in one lasting as long as the present one. </p>
<p>Then, I read a blog from others citing the poster was further evidence that the antiChrist has arrived or whose arrival is imminent, whoever he/she was/is and thought what a load of hogwash, and I mean fresh off the farm. </p>
<p>Why try to comb the Holy Word to find analogies between a possible future political leader and the biblical truths?  This is USA, right?  We&#8217;re not talking different galaxies? Dooowwoooddooo? </p>
<p>Who in the name of democracy has to have the presidency wrapped up in a neat little package before election?  We&#8217;re talking a future political leader, without ANY discernible leanings toward fascism, communism, nor a religious agenda. With Obama, we&#8217;re talking about a fresh-faced, newcomer necessarily, without a lot of underhanded baggage, with a lot of innate intelligence and wisdom as evidenced by his helpful, positivity and bringing hope that something in Washington will be either changed, overturned, or accomplished with regard to that old boy network of doing business as evidenced by many of the deeply ingrained unjust ways of doing business there. </p>
<p>For me, he stands for increased and more equitable distribution of wealth and respect in this country, for the people that actually work to increase the living standards in the US, and standing of US in the world. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t tell me that Iacocca and the other scoundrels like him who were so overglorified in 1976 represented the best interests of the US and the company for which he was CEO when he received billions and millions as bicentennial posterboy?  Sure, he stood on Ellis Island with his fist full, but did he share with the the people that actually worked for that automobile manufacturing company, who needed pensions, and health insurance and a viable job?  </p>
<p>Talk all one wants about any angle on the grafters, but the highest paid who do nothing, deserve nothing, and my hope and expectation is to see a little of that change if Obama is elected. I would not see any more fair redistribution of the country&#8217;s resources with McCain, nor with a Clinton who is too busy paying lip-service to older women and adolescent girls. </p>
<p>As far as I&#8217;m concerned, the poster is a art poster. It&#8217;s design was meant to reassure those that have a little trouble understanding logic in the form of reasonableness, that Obama probably has the required amount of credible beliefs in Higher Powers as anyone else in this country with freedom of religion, and has chosed to respect a deity, in defiance of those who choose not to believe that a relatively young politician would not have both admirable personal as well as leadership qualities.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl Spencer</title>
		<link>http://www.getreligion.org/?p=3507&#038;cpage=1#comment-124628</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheryl Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 10:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Brody being the &quot;go-to person&quot; for the media and press in matters of religion and faith is where I have a problem.  David Brody is a reporter for CBN, the company run by Pat Robertson.   David Brody, this &quot;go-to person&quot; on matters of God, works for Pat Robertson, who claims to be able to leg press a ton, who tells us that he is a prophet of God, a patriot, a descendent of royalty, and he tells his viewers to &quot;touch the tv screen for a miracle.&quot;What makes him the &quot;go-to person?&quot; That the media would go to someone who would work with Pat Robertson amazes me.  Why would any legitimate news network want anything to do with CBN or with anyone who is associated with Pat and Gordon Robertson?  Pat Robertson uses his tv show for self-aggrandizement and meddling.  He is a hate-filled, greedmongering con artist. Pat Robertson helped his fake holyman son Gordon cheat on his wife and keep the affair hidden, all the while continuing to &quot;heal&quot; and offer &quot;words of knowledge&quot; on their tv show and ask for money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Brody being the &#8220;go-to person&#8221; for the media and press in matters of religion and faith is where I have a problem.  David Brody is a reporter for CBN, the company run by Pat Robertson.   David Brody, this &#8220;go-to person&#8221; on matters of God, works for Pat Robertson, who claims to be able to leg press a ton, who tells us that he is a prophet of God, a patriot, a descendent of royalty, and he tells his viewers to &#8220;touch the tv screen for a miracle.&#8221;What makes him the &#8220;go-to person?&#8221; That the media would go to someone who would work with Pat Robertson amazes me.  Why would any legitimate news network want anything to do with CBN or with anyone who is associated with Pat and Gordon Robertson?  Pat Robertson uses his tv show for self-aggrandizement and meddling.  He is a hate-filled, greedmongering con artist. Pat Robertson helped his fake holyman son Gordon cheat on his wife and keep the affair hidden, all the while continuing to &#8220;heal&#8221; and offer &#8220;words of knowledge&#8221; on their tv show and ask for money.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.getreligion.org/?p=3507&#038;cpage=1#comment-124595</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 21:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He had to do this to overcome the rumor of his being a Muslim and having a unusual name.  If his name were Bob Smith, it wouldn&#039;t be necessary.  As an a secular person, I don&#039;t have a cnadidate that reflects my spiritual views, so I look for other issues.  
&quot;unacceptable expression of extremism by a major candidate&quot;?  This appplies more to organizations that just can&#039;t wait for the end of times.  Please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He had to do this to overcome the rumor of his being a Muslim and having a unusual name.  If his name were Bob Smith, it wouldn&#8217;t be necessary.  As an a secular person, I don&#8217;t have a cnadidate that reflects my spiritual views, so I look for other issues.<br />
&#8220;unacceptable expression of extremism by a major candidate&#8221;?  This appplies more to organizations that just can&#8217;t wait for the end of times.  Please.</p>
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		<title>By: TXatheist</title>
		<link>http://www.getreligion.org/?p=3507&#038;cpage=1#comment-124478</link>
		<dc:creator>TXatheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 19:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe because so many southerners are misquided in thinking he&#039;s really a muslim do to smear tactics???</description>
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		<title>By: Teri Royal</title>
		<link>http://www.getreligion.org/?p=3507&#038;cpage=1#comment-124428</link>
		<dc:creator>Teri Royal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 23:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Religion is important, but not where politics is concerned.  I&#039;ll be voting for the candidate who answers to &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;We The People&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;. How about that for a &lt;strong&gt;change!&lt;/strong&gt;

(Sorry for the double post. I didn&#039;t do it right the first time.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Religion is important, but not where politics is concerned.  I&#8217;ll be voting for the candidate who answers to <strong><em>We The People</em></strong>. How about that for a <strong>change!</strong></p>
<p>(Sorry for the double post. I didn&#8217;t do it right the first time.)</p>
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		<title>By: Teri Royal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teri Royal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 23:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Religion is important, but not where politics is concerned. I&#039;ll be voting for the candidate who answers to &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;We The People&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;. How about that for a &lt;strong&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;change&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;/strong&gt;!</description>
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<blockquote><p>change</p></blockquote>
<p></strong>!</p>
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		<title>By: John Garlington</title>
		<link>http://www.getreligion.org/?p=3507&#038;cpage=1#comment-124402</link>
		<dc:creator>John Garlington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 11:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great start! In viewing the comments, however, you understand the breath of width the conversation has to go before â€œa realâ€ conversation happens. 

In reading the posts, one writer suggests that dolphins and humans are the only species who have sex for pleasure but still is unable to come up with a logical reason why homosexuality isnâ€™t natural or innate. In her ignorance, studies demonstrates primates having sex for pleasure as well; not, including, some species of birds who engage in homosexual pairing and partnering behaviors. 

In subsequent posts, I also read, &quot;these men were gay due to not having a father in the home.&quot; Quite the contrary, most openly gay black men have both parents in the home and are usually better adjusted than having primarily a single-parent upbringing, where you have more internalized homophobia and â€œdown lowâ€ behaviors. In fact, having a father in the home takes the pressure off of a single-parent who posits ideas that not having a father figure in the home, influenced the son&#039;s sexual orientation. 

Continuing myths and misconceptions wonâ€™t get at the real sciences and psychological evaluations that have been going on for a couple of centuries around sexual orientation; which, in most intellectual cycles, is no longer an issue. 

In addition, to continue to use an outdated Biblical reference that has many contradictions in its interpretation, (besides where did the eunuchs go in the Bible, or where is our modern-day eunuchs?) leaves a lot for gleaming and debating to be had.     

John Garlington, MSW</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great start! In viewing the comments, however, you understand the breath of width the conversation has to go before â€œa realâ€ conversation happens. </p>
<p>In reading the posts, one writer suggests that dolphins and humans are the only species who have sex for pleasure but still is unable to come up with a logical reason why homosexuality isnâ€™t natural or innate. In her ignorance, studies demonstrates primates having sex for pleasure as well; not, including, some species of birds who engage in homosexual pairing and partnering behaviors. </p>
<p>In subsequent posts, I also read, &#8220;these men were gay due to not having a father in the home.&#8221; Quite the contrary, most openly gay black men have both parents in the home and are usually better adjusted than having primarily a single-parent upbringing, where you have more internalized homophobia and â€œdown lowâ€ behaviors. In fact, having a father in the home takes the pressure off of a single-parent who posits ideas that not having a father figure in the home, influenced the son&#8217;s sexual orientation. </p>
<p>Continuing myths and misconceptions wonâ€™t get at the real sciences and psychological evaluations that have been going on for a couple of centuries around sexual orientation; which, in most intellectual cycles, is no longer an issue. </p>
<p>In addition, to continue to use an outdated Biblical reference that has many contradictions in its interpretation, (besides where did the eunuchs go in the Bible, or where is our modern-day eunuchs?) leaves a lot for gleaming and debating to be had.     </p>
<p>John Garlington, MSW</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
		<link>http://www.getreligion.org/?p=3507&#038;cpage=1#comment-124391</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 07:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is sad because it does not seem we will ever achieve, â€œThe greatest of these is changeâ€

It seems amazing to me that many posters assign intent/motive through their own narrow prism.  Every candidate has done things or said things intended to appeal to voters.  None of the candidates will make everyone happy.  Very few voters will be completely happy with even one of the candidates.  How many potentially great Presidents never run for office because they are not willing to go through what the media and the American people put candidates through?

How many of you have ever had to walk the line between the white world and the black world, but not really fitting into either world?  Maybe if people with the capability of empathy read Obama&#039;s book &quot;Dreams from My Father&quot; might gain some understanding for how why he attended Rev Wright&#039;s church for 20 years.

Have any of the candidates have ever been accused of being a Muslim, which means terrorist for many Americans?  Now Obama has to walk the line of all the variations of Christian beliefs or other hypocrisies.  Of course, Obama wants the people of Kentucky to know he is a Christian rather than a Muslim.  

Did anyone ever question whether Huckabee was a Christian? 

McCain never claimed to be a Baptist until he started running for election.  McCain refuses to be baptized by submersion to qualify for membership in his Southern Baptist Church.  McCain has had James Dobson trying to control his choice of VP.  Dobson has been extremely judgmental of McCain&#039;s past, which should be between McCain and God. 

Just when Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius is at the top of suggested VPs for Obama, the Catholic Church issues a public statement that Sebelius should not take communion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is sad because it does not seem we will ever achieve, â€œThe greatest of these is changeâ€</p>
<p>It seems amazing to me that many posters assign intent/motive through their own narrow prism.  Every candidate has done things or said things intended to appeal to voters.  None of the candidates will make everyone happy.  Very few voters will be completely happy with even one of the candidates.  How many potentially great Presidents never run for office because they are not willing to go through what the media and the American people put candidates through?</p>
<p>How many of you have ever had to walk the line between the white world and the black world, but not really fitting into either world?  Maybe if people with the capability of empathy read Obama&#8217;s book &#8220;Dreams from My Father&#8221; might gain some understanding for how why he attended Rev Wright&#8217;s church for 20 years.</p>
<p>Have any of the candidates have ever been accused of being a Muslim, which means terrorist for many Americans?  Now Obama has to walk the line of all the variations of Christian beliefs or other hypocrisies.  Of course, Obama wants the people of Kentucky to know he is a Christian rather than a Muslim.  </p>
<p>Did anyone ever question whether Huckabee was a Christian? </p>
<p>McCain never claimed to be a Baptist until he started running for election.  McCain refuses to be baptized by submersion to qualify for membership in his Southern Baptist Church.  McCain has had James Dobson trying to control his choice of VP.  Dobson has been extremely judgmental of McCain&#8217;s past, which should be between McCain and God. </p>
<p>Just when Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius is at the top of suggested VPs for Obama, the Catholic Church issues a public statement that Sebelius should not take communion.</p>
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		<title>By: John Garlington</title>
		<link>http://www.getreligion.org/?p=3507&#038;cpage=1#comment-124388</link>
		<dc:creator>John Garlington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 05:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the problem is that Obama does a better job at articulating his faith. For me, there is an even more problematic concern, revealing itself with Evangelical circles its overt racist predisposition. It wasnâ€™t uncommon for the Ku Klux Klan to go church by day and put on hoods by night. 

One of the clear opportunities here in electing a African American president is re-establishing our creditability in the world with a different face, because as it stands now weâ€™re standing alone on a lot of fronts and donâ€™t even know it. Conservatives had better wake up and smell the coffee because itâ€™s a changing world out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the problem is that Obama does a better job at articulating his faith. For me, there is an even more problematic concern, revealing itself with Evangelical circles its overt racist predisposition. It wasnâ€™t uncommon for the Ku Klux Klan to go church by day and put on hoods by night. </p>
<p>One of the clear opportunities here in electing a African American president is re-establishing our creditability in the world with a different face, because as it stands now weâ€™re standing alone on a lot of fronts and donâ€™t even know it. Conservatives had better wake up and smell the coffee because itâ€™s a changing world out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Gums</title>
		<link>http://www.getreligion.org/?p=3507&#038;cpage=1#comment-124386</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Gums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 03:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama demonstrated what his faith means to him by callously exploiting religion when in the early days of his campaign he sought out an interview with CBN, the remnant of the fundamentalist network of Pat Robertson who sold most all of it to ABC for bvat amounts.  Then Obama sat for an interview with &quot;Christianity Today&quot; the fundamentalist magazine (which deceptively persists in referring to itself as evangelical and has since its founding by Billy Graham.  All well and good butit seems Obama didn&#039;t seek out at the same time main line religious media or secular media.  
The United Church of Christ of which Obama&#039;s home congregation in Chicago is a valued member is, as they claim themselves and others acknowledge, the most liberal of all trinitarian congregations.  What Obama said on CBN and to Christianity Today, norin the brochures about which you wrote,is not generally representative of UCC teaching, style or polity.
Obama&#039;s being given a pass for his rush to embrace folks who are far from being fellow believers, unless he&#039;s had a lsst minute conversion of convenience.  Meanwhile the Liberal left with which I identify in many ways is bashing McCain for accepting endorsements from fundamentalists and for having gone to Lynchburg to make friends with Falwell (befor he died, of course.)
Thanks for sharing the info about Obama&#039;s latest perfidy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama demonstrated what his faith means to him by callously exploiting religion when in the early days of his campaign he sought out an interview with CBN, the remnant of the fundamentalist network of Pat Robertson who sold most all of it to ABC for bvat amounts.  Then Obama sat for an interview with &#8220;Christianity Today&#8221; the fundamentalist magazine (which deceptively persists in referring to itself as evangelical and has since its founding by Billy Graham.  All well and good butit seems Obama didn&#8217;t seek out at the same time main line religious media or secular media.<br />
The United Church of Christ of which Obama&#8217;s home congregation in Chicago is a valued member is, as they claim themselves and others acknowledge, the most liberal of all trinitarian congregations.  What Obama said on CBN and to Christianity Today, norin the brochures about which you wrote,is not generally representative of UCC teaching, style or polity.<br />
Obama&#8217;s being given a pass for his rush to embrace folks who are far from being fellow believers, unless he&#8217;s had a lsst minute conversion of convenience.  Meanwhile the Liberal left with which I identify in many ways is bashing McCain for accepting endorsements from fundamentalists and for having gone to Lynchburg to make friends with Falwell (befor he died, of course.)<br />
Thanks for sharing the info about Obama&#8217;s latest perfidy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Sharlet</title>
		<link>http://www.getreligion.org/?p=3507&#038;cpage=1#comment-124353</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Sharlet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 19:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Mollie. Linked it at The Revealer.</description>
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		<title>By: James Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 08:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Governor Huckabee - Joking around about shooting a presidential candidate, from the other party, the first black candidate in history, in front of the NRA is criminal, not to mention sinful. There is truth in sarcasm and you&#039;ve just crossed the line to the dark side. Humor or no humor, your asinine comment was offensive and moronic. It deserves far more than just a simple apology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Governor Huckabee - Joking around about shooting a presidential candidate, from the other party, the first black candidate in history, in front of the NRA is criminal, not to mention sinful. There is truth in sarcasm and you&#8217;ve just crossed the line to the dark side. Humor or no humor, your asinine comment was offensive and moronic. It deserves far more than just a simple apology.</p>
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		<title>By: James Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 08:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joking around about shooting a presidential candidate, from the other party, the first black candidate in history, in front of the NRA is criminal, not to mention sinful. There is truth in sarcasm and you&#039;ve just crossed the line to the dark side. Humor or no humor, your asinine comment was offensive and moronic. It deserves more than just an apology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joking around about shooting a presidential candidate, from the other party, the first black candidate in history, in front of the NRA is criminal, not to mention sinful. There is truth in sarcasm and you&#8217;ve just crossed the line to the dark side. Humor or no humor, your asinine comment was offensive and moronic. It deserves more than just an apology.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 17:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;he was raised by his mother and grandmother in Kansas &lt;/blockquote&gt;

He was not raised in Kansas and neither was his mother.  She happened to be born there but grew up all over the county as the family moved about.  Barak was born in Hawaii and probably spent next to no time in Kansas, and may not have ever been there before running for President.

Very bad fact checking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>he was raised by his mother and grandmother in Kansas </p></blockquote>
<p>He was not raised in Kansas and neither was his mother.  She happened to be born there but grew up all over the county as the family moved about.  Barak was born in Hawaii and probably spent next to no time in Kansas, and may not have ever been there before running for President.</p>
<p>Very bad fact checking.</p>
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		<title>By: Martha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 16:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, good grief.

The one thing I do indeed wish could be hammered home about the partition between Church and State are these kind of campaign ads.

Not to single out Obama - they all do it.  I know he&#039;s struggling with the &#039;he&#039;s really a Muslim!&#039; rumour, which is also a dirty-tricks campaign (the notion seeming to be &#039;he&#039;s really a Muslim/all Muslims are our enemy/he&#039;s secretly anti-American/how can you trust him as a President and Commander-in-Chief in the war against Islam?&#039;, all of which is distasteful, racist, sectarian, and damn nonsense).

Naturally he wants to emphasise his religious bona-fides.

But damn it to Hell, I wish to God politicians wouldn&#039;t do this.  It&#039;s like Hillary suddenly(?) telling us all about how much being a Methodist means to her, while wearing a Madonna-bracelet; John Kerry and the Communion photograph; and every hog, dog and divil that ever stumped for votes outside the church gates after Mass on Sunday morning.  (Irish politicians are just as bad, if they haven&#039;t yet got to the stage of putting out these kinds of photos).

If you vote-grabbing hucksters are so religious, remember the verse about &quot;And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. {6} &quot;But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly.&quot;

I hate it, because it treats we believers as idiots.  Look!  John Q. Smith is standing up before a generic and inoffensively non-denominational symbol! Oh, he must be one of us and therefore we will all line up mindlessly to vote for him without reference to his policies, his character, his record, or any other question other than does he go to the right church!

Argh!

(Why yes, I do feel much better having gotten that off my chest, thank you).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, good grief.</p>
<p>The one thing I do indeed wish could be hammered home about the partition between Church and State are these kind of campaign ads.</p>
<p>Not to single out Obama - they all do it.  I know he&#8217;s struggling with the &#8216;he&#8217;s really a Muslim!&#8217; rumour, which is also a dirty-tricks campaign (the notion seeming to be &#8216;he&#8217;s really a Muslim/all Muslims are our enemy/he&#8217;s secretly anti-American/how can you trust him as a President and Commander-in-Chief in the war against Islam?&#8217;, all of which is distasteful, racist, sectarian, and damn nonsense).</p>
<p>Naturally he wants to emphasise his religious bona-fides.</p>
<p>But damn it to Hell, I wish to God politicians wouldn&#8217;t do this.  It&#8217;s like Hillary suddenly(?) telling us all about how much being a Methodist means to her, while wearing a Madonna-bracelet; John Kerry and the Communion photograph; and every hog, dog and divil that ever stumped for votes outside the church gates after Mass on Sunday morning.  (Irish politicians are just as bad, if they haven&#8217;t yet got to the stage of putting out these kinds of photos).</p>
<p>If you vote-grabbing hucksters are so religious, remember the verse about &#8220;And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. {6} &#8220;But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly.&#8221;</p>
<p>I hate it, because it treats we believers as idiots.  Look!  John Q. Smith is standing up before a generic and inoffensively non-denominational symbol! Oh, he must be one of us and therefore we will all line up mindlessly to vote for him without reference to his policies, his character, his record, or any other question other than does he go to the right church!</p>
<p>Argh!</p>
<p>(Why yes, I do feel much better having gotten that off my chest, thank you).</p>
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