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		<title>By: antropovni</title>
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		<dc:creator>antropovni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reporting condensed in websites like AllAfrica.com from Nigeria&#039;s MSM emphasizes the interweaving of ethnicity, religion, political party, legal status, and socioeconomic status. I think each of these identifiers may be salient in turn depending on the context.

In short: Mostly Muslim (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/nigeria-1.htm&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Maliki Sunni&lt;/a&gt;) Hausa-Fulani herders from the north were initially drawn to Plateau State for jobs when tin mining was booming in the early 20th century, though they continue to come due to increasing desertification of the Sahel that requires going farther afield to graze their cattle. Mostly Christian (&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.tee-akindele.com/2009/01/17/gospel-watch-january-2009/&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Roman Catholic, various Protestant&lt;/a&gt;) Berom agriculturists were already settled in Plateau State and are therefore legally defined as &quot;indigenes&quot;, meaning they are entitled to special legal and economic protections from the federal and state governments. As in much of the developing world, political affiliation and representation in Nigeria are based on ethnic (and secondarily class) lines. For instance, the governor of Plateau State is Berom, and much criticism by Fulani of double standards for government treatment of them in re: violence hinges on this fact.

It sounds like in the recent attacks cultural/linguistic cues were used by the attackers: e.g., asking &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100311/ap_on_re_af/af_nigeria_violence&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Who are you?&quot;&lt;/a&gt; in Fulani to separate out the Berom. And even local religious leaders &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.speroforum.com/a/26693/Nigeria-Catholic-archbishop-meets-with-VP-to-discuss-Jos-violence&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;acknowledge the economic and legal factors in play&lt;/a&gt;.

And for those of you keeping your eyes peeled for religion ghosts, check out Gov. Jang&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://allafrica.com/stories/201003110680.html&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;comments on why the massacres keep happening&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reporting condensed in websites like AllAfrica.com from Nigeria&#8217;s MSM emphasizes the interweaving of ethnicity, religion, political party, legal status, and socioeconomic status. I think each of these identifiers may be salient in turn depending on the context.</p>
<p>In short: Mostly Muslim (<a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/nigeria-1.htm" title="" rel="nofollow">Maliki Sunni</a>) Hausa-Fulani herders from the north were initially drawn to Plateau State for jobs when tin mining was booming in the early 20th century, though they continue to come due to increasing desertification of the Sahel that requires going farther afield to graze their cattle. Mostly Christian (<a href="http://blog.tee-akindele.com/2009/01/17/gospel-watch-january-2009/" title="" rel="nofollow">Roman Catholic, various Protestant</a>) Berom agriculturists were already settled in Plateau State and are therefore legally defined as &#8220;indigenes&#8221;, meaning they are entitled to special legal and economic protections from the federal and state governments. As in much of the developing world, political affiliation and representation in Nigeria are based on ethnic (and secondarily class) lines. For instance, the governor of Plateau State is Berom, and much criticism by Fulani of double standards for government treatment of them in re: violence hinges on this fact.</p>
<p>It sounds like in the recent attacks cultural/linguistic cues were used by the attackers: e.g., asking <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100311/ap_on_re_af/af_nigeria_violence" title="" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Who are you?&#8221;</a> in Fulani to separate out the Berom. And even local religious leaders <a href="http://www.speroforum.com/a/26693/Nigeria-Catholic-archbishop-meets-with-VP-to-discuss-Jos-violence" title="" rel="nofollow">acknowledge the economic and legal factors in play</a>.</p>
<p>And for those of you keeping your eyes peeled for religion ghosts, check out Gov. Jang&#8217;s <a href="http://allafrica.com/stories/201003110680.html" title="" rel="nofollow">comments on why the massacres keep happening</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Mildenhall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Mildenhall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 03:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good discussion.

One thing I&#039;d add is it is important to analyse not just the language used, ethnic/religious violence, but also the connection between these labels and the cause of the violence.

Is the descriptor used in such a way that attributes the violence to the ethnicity, or to the religious outlook?

Sometimes, perhaps without even being aware of it, you get a secularist journalist touting a subtext of: 

&#039;those ignorant tribal people, don&#039;t they realise they are wiping out any chance they have of developing their society&#039;, 

or &#039;those ignorant religious peasants, don&#039;t they realise that religion is the cause of wars and the sooner they ditch any commitment to religion the better off they will be, after all look at me&#039;.

It is sad but predictable how ignorant many of our gatekeepers are when it comes to human nature, and how the predilection for violent pursuit of selfish ends permeates every society, through all of history.  It&#039;s not just nature that is red in tooth and claw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good discussion.</p>
<p>One thing I&#8217;d add is it is important to analyse not just the language used, ethnic/religious violence, but also the connection between these labels and the cause of the violence.</p>
<p>Is the descriptor used in such a way that attributes the violence to the ethnicity, or to the religious outlook?</p>
<p>Sometimes, perhaps without even being aware of it, you get a secularist journalist touting a subtext of: </p>
<p>&#8216;those ignorant tribal people, don&#8217;t they realise they are wiping out any chance they have of developing their society&#8217;, </p>
<p>or &#8216;those ignorant religious peasants, don&#8217;t they realise that religion is the cause of wars and the sooner they ditch any commitment to religion the better off they will be, after all look at me&#8217;.</p>
<p>It is sad but predictable how ignorant many of our gatekeepers are when it comes to human nature, and how the predilection for violent pursuit of selfish ends permeates every society, through all of history.  It&#8217;s not just nature that is red in tooth and claw.</p>
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		<title>By: C. Wingate</title>
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		<dc:creator>C. Wingate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, religion often &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; an ethnic marker. There was a peculiar article in the food section yesterday in the &lt;i&gt;Wash. Post&lt;/i&gt; talking about Irish whiskey and the common perception of Jameson as &quot;Catholic&quot; and Bushnell&#039;s as &quot;Protestant&quot;. Historically this is rubbish, as both were, for a time, owned by the same company; Jameson himself was a Scottish immigrant and therefore almost certainly Protestant. What do &quot;Catholic&quot; and &quot;Protestant&quot; mean here? Well, not religious dogma; they are signs of fealty (for surely there is no religious meaning for a Christian to prefer one tipple over the other).

I cannot say this with certainty, but my impression was that the first reports I saw did depict this as a religious battle, and that subsequent reports explicitly backpedalled on that and emphasized the ethnic line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, religion often <i>is</i> an ethnic marker. There was a peculiar article in the food section yesterday in the <i>Wash. Post</i> talking about Irish whiskey and the common perception of Jameson as &#8220;Catholic&#8221; and Bushnell&#8217;s as &#8220;Protestant&#8221;. Historically this is rubbish, as both were, for a time, owned by the same company; Jameson himself was a Scottish immigrant and therefore almost certainly Protestant. What do &#8220;Catholic&#8221; and &#8220;Protestant&#8221; mean here? Well, not religious dogma; they are signs of fealty (for surely there is no religious meaning for a Christian to prefer one tipple over the other).</p>
<p>I cannot say this with certainty, but my impression was that the first reports I saw did depict this as a religious battle, and that subsequent reports explicitly backpedalled on that and emphasized the ethnic line.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin J. Jones said: 

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;Even if seeming religious strife is a manifestation of tribal or livelihood conflicts, that marker needs to be explained&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&quot;Marker&quot; is a great term for conflicts like this that involve religious affiliation. 

In North Ireland, religion is a marker for which group was thrown off their farms way back when and which group came over from Scotland to benefit from that.

In Bosnia, Kosovo, etc. religion is a marker for which group are thought to have capitulated and aided the Ottomans and which group sees itself as being patriots way back when. 

The fights are not necessarily about religion &lt;i&gt;per se&lt;/i&gt;.  

It&#039;s a rare news article that gets into any of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin J. Jones said: </p>
<blockquote cite=""><p>Even if seeming religious strife is a manifestation of tribal or livelihood conflicts, that marker needs to be explained</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;Marker&#8221; is a great term for conflicts like this that involve religious affiliation. </p>
<p>In North Ireland, religion is a marker for which group was thrown off their farms way back when and which group came over from Scotland to benefit from that.</p>
<p>In Bosnia, Kosovo, etc. religion is a marker for which group are thought to have capitulated and aided the Ottomans and which group sees itself as being patriots way back when. </p>
<p>The fights are not necessarily about religion <i>per se</i>.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a rare news article that gets into any of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin J Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin J Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if seeming religious strife is a manifestation of tribal or livelihood conflicts, that marker needs to be explained. Why are farmers predominantly one religion, and the herdsmen another? When/why/how did the tribes convert? All peoples have histories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if seeming religious strife is a manifestation of tribal or livelihood conflicts, that marker needs to be explained. Why are farmers predominantly one religion, and the herdsmen another? When/why/how did the tribes convert? All peoples have histories.</p>
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		<title>By: MattK</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some, ethnicity includes religion.  I argued it with a psychology professor onetime.  She refused to budge in her idea that religion, diet, ideas of family make up, etc. are what make up an ethnicity.  So, for people like that, the story makes sense.  I think they are wrong, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some, ethnicity includes religion.  I argued it with a psychology professor onetime.  She refused to budge in her idea that religion, diet, ideas of family make up, etc. are what make up an ethnicity.  So, for people like that, the story makes sense.  I think they are wrong, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MatthewH makes an excellent point. What is going on is one thing. The spin that various parties put on it is something else. And differentiating between them takes that endangered species, the excellent reporter, with time to do an excellent job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MatthewH makes an excellent point. What is going on is one thing. The spin that various parties put on it is something else. And differentiating between them takes that endangered species, the excellent reporter, with time to do an excellent job.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing I find chronically absent in Nigeria stories is any indication of what kind of Christians are present and which kind is involved in any given conflict. Are they Anglican holdovers from colonial times, Catholics or Protestants converted in more modern missions, or what? Same with Muslim sects: are there different Muslim groups present in Nigeria, and if so, are all sorts involved? Dividing merely between &quot;Christians&quot; and &quot;Muslims&quot; in a diverse country like Nigeria isn&#039;t very informative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I find chronically absent in Nigeria stories is any indication of what kind of Christians are present and which kind is involved in any given conflict. Are they Anglican holdovers from colonial times, Catholics or Protestants converted in more modern missions, or what? Same with Muslim sects: are there different Muslim groups present in Nigeria, and if so, are all sorts involved? Dividing merely between &#8220;Christians&#8221; and &#8220;Muslims&#8221; in a diverse country like Nigeria isn&#8217;t very informative.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the coverage I&#039;ve seen it seems to me that the basic fault line is between farmers and herders in a decreasingly fertily territory. Religious and ethnic rivalries may be epiphenomena of that fundamental conflict.</description>
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		<title>By: MatthewH</title>
		<link>http://www.getreligion.org/2010/03/more-of-that-ethnic-violence-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-160927</link>
		<dc:creator>MatthewH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Usually just lurk -happen to have a little third hand knowledge on the point.  Had a professor of International Relations who&#039;s expertise was the Saheel region of Africa.  His opinion was that the violence was Ethnic.  Arabs in the North, Black-Africans in the south, and the violence happened whether the southernors were Animist, Christian, or Muslim.  However, the Africans and IGOs know that they get more international response if they can emphasize the religion angle.  Which would explain the disconnect between the headline and the quotes -American experts view the violence as ethnic, but locals play up the religion side for international support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Usually just lurk -happen to have a little third hand knowledge on the point.  Had a professor of International Relations who&#8217;s expertise was the Saheel region of Africa.  His opinion was that the violence was Ethnic.  Arabs in the North, Black-Africans in the south, and the violence happened whether the southernors were Animist, Christian, or Muslim.  However, the Africans and IGOs know that they get more international response if they can emphasize the religion angle.  Which would explain the disconnect between the headline and the quotes -American experts view the violence as ethnic, but locals play up the religion side for international support.</p>
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