Yes, this statue is offered as “proof” of Satanic pact in Christian retellings of the events at Bois Caiman 1791.

It is notable that Robertson said nothing about the statue.

There is no iron statue of a black domestic pig in Port-au-Prince. There never has been such a statue, which honors the “Boukman Contract.”

For more information, see
Dr. Jean R. Gelin, God, Satan, and the Birth of Haiti
Part One http://www.blackandchristian.com/articles/academy/gelin-10-05.shtml Dr. Gelin is a licensed minister of the Church of God and holds a Ph.D. in plant sciences and works as a scientist in agricultural research. He serves as an assistant pastor for a young Haitian-American church in the United States.

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Robertson was blaming the victims. Robertson was intentionally demeaning a Catholic country and worse he was insulting the African culture we helped to import there.

We should be disgusted by Robertson trying to raise money off of his subtle blend of hate and hype, and we all know only of fraction of the money he raises will go to help the Haitians.

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I’m not trying to justify what Robertson said, the man grates on me as well. I’m simply taking issue with how he is being treated by the MSM journalists, and offering my take on part of the why he’s treated that way.

While the American revolution is seen by us as throwing off the yoke of tyranny, Haiti’s revolution was seen as a slave rebellion because of obvious differences Robertson was alluding to.

Nooo, it was seen as a slave rebellion because it was a slave rebellion. Unlike the American Revolution, the Haitian revolutionaries were slaves. Not freemen, including slaveholders, like our revolutionaries. Unfortunately, slave rebellions have a long history of being especially brutal, although I don’t know if the Haitian Revolution carried on the tradition. The Haitian Revolution is in some ways even more impressive than our own, because they were starting with much, much less than our Founders. And they were subsequently treated reprehensibly by their former colonial masters.

Of course, those who object to Robertson’s theory are free to come up with their own explanations of why Haiti has persistently been a failed state for more than a century. I don’t recall seeing any on the news, but since all I can get is my local Fox affiliate (no, not Fox News, just the local affiliate), I don’t know whether the MSM has bothered to do more than mock Robertson.

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Absolutely. They should rise up in indignation and cast his millions of dollars’ worth of aid back in his teeth for his insolence. What are food and medicine measured against an old man’s gaffe?

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No one should cut Robertson any slack for his remarks.

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There is NO way that what Robertson said could be true. It violates the laws of reason and logic. So all thinking people of the world have every right to call him out on this.

It violates neither the laws of reason nor of logic, although it certainly offends the sensibilities of those who pride themselves on their understanding of the laws of reason and logic, aka “thinking people of the world.” You are free to clarify what “laws of reason and logic” it violates, but I doubt if a serious examination of the matter will turn any up.

If God is going to judge Haiti because of what a few assembled people did over a hundred years ago, and since most of us would have as a concept that God plays fair and is impartial……then

Re-read what I said about Original Sin. God does not play “fair and … impartial” If He did, then He wouldn’t have gone to the cross.

So if Haiti is being judged, by that logic, our country should be having an earthquake about every 5 minutes- forget once a day. It is my belief that God does not intervene in things like earthquakes.

“Belief”, not conclusion, not founded on reason or logic. (btw, we do have an earthquake about every 5 minutes or so, they’re just usually pretty small.) The problem with your formulation is that it requires God to bring the hammer down on us. It puts Him in a box, rendering the God of Creation a mere mechanatron. Pull sin lever A, hammer falls. Pull sin lever B, earthquake, etc, etc.

Since most journalists subscribe, at least unconsciously, if not consciously, to a materialistic worldview, reacting based upon such a image of God is understandable from them. I’ll venture that much of their reaction is based on such sentiments.

But when Christians adopt the same worldview, something is wrong. The same God who died on the cross also waxed Sodom and “vexed” Moses’s foster brother, the Pharoah. He allowed His Chosen People to be taken into Babylon, and brought them out. He created the universe. He certainly can and does intervene in the affairs of man and in the natural world.

There is a problem that comes up when one says that a given disaster is judgement from God

Very true. I personally would need a whole lot more than simply Pat Robertson’s claim to convince me that this disaster is God’s judgement. Starting from the a priori position that a) God is sovereign, and b) God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow, reason and logic are going to demand a whole lot more than the collective gasps, snickers and poo-poos of “thinking people” to convince me that this disaster could not be God’s judgement.

It is forgotten that there are also Christians in Hatiti and that they are equally affected. Disaster hapen, plain and simple

I don’t recall any promises to Christians that they’ll be free of the challenges of living in a fallen world, whether those challenges are merely the natural world proceeding along at its tumultuous leisure, or the challenges of human sinfulness. As a result, I fail to grasp how you can conclude that the obvious fact that Christians were as tragically affected by this natural disaster as non-believers proves that God couldn’t be exercising judgement.

There is one possibility though that nobody has considered, one that proves fairly firmly that God couldn’t possibly be involved in this calamity. With all the judgement of one another that we down here are tossing about, how could He possibly get a word of judgment in edgewise, much less a whole earthquake?

A disaster like this commonly gives rise to one question: “what can I do to help?” Robertson’s claim/speculation can set one to considering another question, equally or perhaps even more important: “am I right with God?”

That’s a question that unsettles secularists, which is why they attempt to discredit the one who’s starting the thought chain rolling. This is just like how a bad fire in one’s neighborhood will spur most folks to check their smoke detectors and fire extinguishers, or get some if they can. Disasters, whether natural, economic, physical, medical, or emotional, spur reassessments. And the answers from some reassessments are too unpleasant, so many folks would rather quash the question than deal with the answer.

Some of those folks are journalists…

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Well Rev. Pat Robertson never said that this earthquake was God’s judgment. Rather by analyzing the various misfortunes of this nation and examined its history he made the comments which is causing such an uproar. He was just pointing to the root cause of these misfortunes and not only of the earthquake. To those who are skeptical about the consequences of making a pact with the devil, please watch this video:-
http://www.sidroth.org/site/News2?abbr=tv_&page=NewsArticle&id=8827&security=1041&news_iv_ctrl=-1

The fact is the Haitian leaders back then did make a pact with the devil. Anyone can verify this claim. On 14 August 1791, a black slave and witch doctor named Boukman led the slaves in a voodoo ritual. They sacrificed a pig and drank its blood to form a pact with the devil, whereby they agreed to serve the spirits of the island for 200 years in exchange for freedom from the French. The slave rebellion commenced on 22 August 1791, and after 13 years of conflict, the slaves won their independence. On 1 January 1804 they declared Haiti the world’s first independent black republic. To this day an iron statue of a pig stands in Port-au-Prince to commemorate the “Boukman Contract”. This Pig Statue is proof of what has happened 200 years ago.

Well the devil is not a nice guy. Just because you made a pact with him, he does not feel obligated to bless you. In fact as the Lord Jesus said the devil has come to steal, kill and destroy. This is what the devil stands for. But there is HOPE for the people of Haiti because our Lord Jesus has crushed the devil under his feet on the cross for us and if we would just believe in the Lord Jesus we can overcome this curse and break the pact with the devil. So as Christians we need to pray for the people of Haiti and do everything we can to bring them to Christ and help them break this curse and this pact with the devil.

Coming back to the video link above, I just want to relate the story of the young missionary that God sent to a village in an African country. Upon arriving she noticed that the people there were very poor and in addition to this there has not been a single drop of rain for years with the result that food was scarce and the people were starving. She then led the people into repentance and turn to The Lord Jesus. Guess what happen just after they have done this, rain started to fall.
Here is the link again to this video:
http://www.sidroth.org/site/News2?abbr=tv_&page=NewsArticle&id=8827&security=1041&news_iv_ctrl=-1

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Like the millions of dollars worth of funds that Robertson’s own organization is sending? Come now, Samantha. Why must one assume anything of the kind?

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Diane, I don’t think he even went that far. I think the implied distinction between the Haitian rebels of 200 years ago and the Haitian people of today is clear to everyone except journalists. It’s exactly like saying that overlogging in the nineteenth century is why we have erosion problems today. The only difference is that Robertson’s statement involves the supernatural. And that it came from Pat Robertson, which by default makes it either stupid or evil or both.

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If God is going to judge Haiti because of what a few assembled people did over a hundred years ago, and since most of us would have as a concept that God plays fair and is impartial……then

By that logic. Let’s look at America. And keep in mind, I’m not the one saying this. I have heard many conservative CHRISTIANS make this statement,”That if God does not destroy America, then he owes Sodom and Gommerah an apology. It has been estimated (depending on who you want to believe) that there are between 10,000 and 100,000 abortions each year in America. Most fundamentalist Christians consider abortion MURDER. And going by logic again, since the United States constitution makes it LEGAL to have an abortion, and then (by Christian belief) Murder babies, this seems to me just as “evil” or more evil than signing a deal with an alleged devil. Wonder ow many babies each year do Haitians kill? Probably not as many as we do in the good old USA. So getting back to my point. If you want to use the logic of Pat Robertson, then ask Pat why we aren’t having an earthquake a day in America. And do I need to point out how much porn, drugs, booze, and adultery goes on in the good old USSA too? So if Haiti is being judged, by that logic, our country should be having an earthquake about every 5 minutes- forget once a day. It is my belief that God does not intervene in things like earthquakes. Earthquakes in Haiti are caused because Haiti sits directly over a major fault. It has nothing do do with GOD. Look it up. Most intelligent people know about earthquake faults. And one last thing, on a more funny and lighter note. The thing I also thought the most crazy about the 700 club was when Pat would have a word from God about some lady in Kansas being healed of something. Thank you Jesus he would say. Well if Pat was really hearing from Jesus, how come he never would say. Mary Beth Wilson, at 123 Park Street. That lesion on your leg is healed and you don’t need to go see Dr. Bowen tomorrow. Was I the only one who saw through this carnival trick?

donovan
spiritnewsdaily.com

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I’m not a fan of Robertson, he’s not my cup of tea. But his treatment by the media in this is disgraceful. The problem isn’t what Robertson said, aside from his timing. It’s this:

All the media are treating his statements as pure fancy, bordering on lunacy. Not that what he said might be, even probably was wrong, but rather, that it must be wrong. Many Christian commentators have made the same error, which is more egregious on their part.

The Bois Caiman ceremony is apparently a well established historical fact. Who the supernatural/metaphysial participants were is a question outside the realm of journalism, but to act as if there is no way the gist of what Robertson said could be true isn’t journalism, it’s prejudice. Prejudice compounded by pride for Christians. “There’s no way God would do that.”

Sorry, but God has busted out of every box I’ve put him in, and building new boxes for Him is getting old. Robertson could very well be right, or not. Journalists shouldn’t be making assumptions one way or the other.

btw, for Christian media types who object to Robertson’s comments, how is God punishing a nation today for throwing in with Satan any more unbelievable than the Doctrine of Original Sin? It is, perhaps, the similiarity of the two that so offends the secular media, and perhaps discomfits many Christian media figures. And if one isn’t capable of mustering a defense that holds Robertson might be right, how strong a defense of Original Sin can one make?

Yup, the secular journalists laugh at Robertson, secure in the worldly certainty that only superstitious yokels could possibly think as he did. It is, I suppose, an understandable defense mechanism for those who are unwilling to grapple with the implications of what the mere possibility of Robertson being right means. Such laughter though isn’t journalism. It may be, though, an opportunity for planting some seeds. A simple question to the laughing or scornful journalists: “How can you be sure he’s wrong?”

I don’t pretend to know why God allows this natural disaster to strike, and not that one. Why one person lives and another doesn’t, etc. But I not going join the secularists’ pile on when another Christian reminds us that God is sovereign, even if the other Christian may be wrong about God’s role in a specific event.

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