Comments on: Textbooks? What textbooks? http://www.getreligion.org/2009/06/textbooks-what-textbooks/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=textbooks-what-textbooks "The press . . . just doesn't get religion." -- William Schneider Thu, 09 Feb 2012 08:04:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jerry http://www.getreligion.org/2009/06/textbooks-what-textbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-148127 Jerry Tue, 16 Jun 2009 05:33:22 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=13567#comment-148127 <blockquote cite="">But I will take the opportunity to say that it’s a shame we don’t get to highlight more frequently the amazing work done by so many reporters.</blockquote>Amen. Based on the kudo to complaint ratio here, an independent observer would conclude that things are very dark indeed.

But I will take the opportunity to say that it’s a shame we don’t get to highlight more frequently the amazing work done by so many reporters.

Amen. Based on the kudo to complaint ratio here, an independent observer would conclude that things are very dark indeed.

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]]> By: Mollie http://www.getreligion.org/2009/06/textbooks-what-textbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-148124 Mollie Tue, 16 Jun 2009 03:44:31 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=13567#comment-148124 Well, just because many reporters struggle with reporting religion doesn't mean that "mainstream" is pejorative. I don't think that "partisan" or "ideological" are pejorative either -- just descriptors for the approach used. But I will take the opportunity to say that it's a shame we don't get to highlight more frequently the amazing work done by so many reporters. There are some gems out there and many of them are on the religion beat. Most of the worst problems we see come from reporters who don't focus on religion but write on it as part of their other duties . . . Well, just because many reporters struggle with reporting religion doesn’t mean that “mainstream” is pejorative. I don’t think that “partisan” or “ideological” are pejorative either — just descriptors for the approach used.

But I will take the opportunity to say that it’s a shame we don’t get to highlight more frequently the amazing work done by so many reporters. There are some gems out there and many of them are on the religion beat. Most of the worst problems we see come from reporters who don’t focus on religion but write on it as part of their other duties …

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]]> By: Jerry http://www.getreligion.org/2009/06/textbooks-what-textbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-148123 Jerry Tue, 16 Jun 2009 03:40:54 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=13567#comment-148123 <blockquote cite="">We don’t consider mainstream media a pejorative term. Far from it, in fact. We just use it to distinguish from the partisan or ideological press.</blockquote>That's an interesting comment, Mollie, because the basic premise of this blog is that the "MSM" does not <i>get religion</i>. So I've thought that you all consider most reporters/editors to fall short albeit with a few exceptions. Maybe it's that you consider the MSM the worst except for all the others, echoing Winston Churchill's quote about democracy?

We don’t consider mainstream media a pejorative term. Far from it, in fact. We just use it to distinguish from the partisan or ideological press.

That’s an interesting comment, Mollie, because the basic premise of this blog is that the “MSM” does not get religion. So I’ve thought that you all consider most reporters/editors to fall short albeit with a few exceptions. Maybe it’s that you consider the MSM the worst except for all the others, echoing Winston Churchill’s quote about democracy?

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]]> By: Mollie http://www.getreligion.org/2009/06/textbooks-what-textbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-148119 Mollie Tue, 16 Jun 2009 01:46:39 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=13567#comment-148119 We don't consider mainstream media a pejorative term. Far from it, in fact. We just use it to distinguish from the partisan or ideological press. We don’t consider mainstream media a pejorative term. Far from it, in fact. We just use it to distinguish from the partisan or ideological press.

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]]> By: Ira Rifkin http://www.getreligion.org/2009/06/textbooks-what-textbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-148118 Ira Rifkin Tue, 16 Jun 2009 01:44:28 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=13567#comment-148118 I'm always confused by the term mainstream media - particularly its use as pejorative stand-in for media perceived as being too liberal. I used to think the term referenced a media outlet's influence. If so, Rush, Drudge and Fox are today as MSM as can be. And, oh, I wonder if they do not also have "memory" lapses? MSM is a mushy cliche - albeit one with barbs. I’m always confused by the term mainstream media - particularly its use as pejorative stand-in for media perceived as being too liberal.

I used to think the term referenced a media outlet’s influence. If so, Rush, Drudge and Fox are today as MSM as can be.

And, oh, I wonder if they do not also have “memory” lapses?

MSM is a mushy cliche - albeit one with barbs.

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]]> By: Mari http://www.getreligion.org/2009/06/textbooks-what-textbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-148113 Mari Mon, 15 Jun 2009 22:20:47 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=13567#comment-148113 It is NOT the obligation of the state to fund religious schools, Iftikhar, nor is there any right for anyone to come to a country and preach the slaughter of the citizens of that country, or any others. If Muslims wish to live under the laws of the "Kingdom", the place for them to live is in the Kingdom. Otherwise you are demanding the right to violate our rights and freedoms, something you do not have the right to do. It is NOT the obligation of the state to fund religious schools, Iftikhar, nor is there any right for anyone to come to a country and preach the slaughter of the citizens of that country, or any others. If Muslims wish to live under the laws of the “Kingdom”, the place for them to live is in the Kingdom. Otherwise you are demanding the right to violate our rights and freedoms, something you do not have the right to do.

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]]> By: Iftikhar http://www.getreligion.org/2009/06/textbooks-what-textbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-148108 Iftikhar Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:18:40 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=13567#comment-148108 Muslim parents teach their children to respect their teachers. From a very young age, we are taught that Islam teaches us that after our parents, our teachers are most deserving of respect. It must be an extremely confusing time for the Muslim parent in Leytonstone, London. For up to 30 parents may face prosecution for withdrawing their children from school, disobeying the teachers in the school, simply to secure a decent moral upbringing for their children. The school had decided to have a week of lessons about lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender history. Part of this was a special adaptation of Shakespeare’s Romeo and Juliet retitled Romeo and Julian as well as fairytales and stories changed to show men falling in love with men. Rather than filling the heads of impressionable boys and girls with fatuous drivel about gay penguins, schools should be ashamed of the fact that they are sending children out into the world barely able to read, write and add up properly. Muslim children are leaving schools without learning their cultural roots and linguistic skills. The action was being taken against the parents as part of a policy of ' promoting tolerance'. So why not tolerate parents, who, for sincerely-held reasons, consider their children too young to be taught about gay relationships? This isn't education, its cultural fascism. A record numbers of pupils persistently played truant in 2006-07, with around 272,950 pupils persistently absent in 2007, missing more than 20% of school. We rarely see councils prosecute the parents of these persistent truants. Yet, the parents who removed their children as a one-off to protect their morality may be prosecuted! If the local council does decide to go through with a prosecution, it would be in line with the government's approach to the Muslim community. Muslims who believe homosexuality is a sin would be labelled as extremists. Liberal totalitarianism is a growing phenomenon in Britain and the west in general but many people will be shocked that the school can override a parent's view of what's appropriate or inappropriate to teach their children. This latest episode should be a wakeup call for Muslim parents. Muslim parents MUST explain our moral standards to schools and be prepared to take steps to protect our children’s morals and values from a growing agenda to impose liberal values upon them. This is an eye opening for those Muslim parents who keep on sending their children to state schools to be mis-educated and de-educated by non-Muslim monolingual teachers. The solution of all the problems facing Muslim children is state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers. Those state schools where Muslim children are in majority may be designated as Muslim community schools. Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. Iftikhar Ahmad www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk Muslim parents teach their children to respect their teachers. From a very young age, we are taught that Islam teaches us that after our parents, our teachers are most deserving of respect.
It must be an extremely confusing time for the Muslim parent in Leytonstone, London. For up to 30 parents may face prosecution for withdrawing their children from school, disobeying the teachers in the school, simply to secure a decent moral upbringing for their children. The school had decided to have a week of lessons about lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender history. Part of this was a special adaptation of Shakespeare’s Romeo and Juliet retitled Romeo and Julian as well as fairytales and stories changed to show men falling in love with men. Rather than filling the heads of impressionable boys and girls with fatuous drivel about gay penguins, schools should be ashamed of the fact that they are sending children out into the world barely able to read, write and add up properly. Muslim children are leaving schools without learning their cultural roots and linguistic skills.

The action was being taken against the parents as part of a policy of ’ promoting tolerance’. So why not tolerate parents, who, for sincerely-held reasons, consider their children too young to be taught about gay relationships? This isn’t education, its cultural fascism. A record numbers of pupils persistently played truant in 2006-07, with around 272,950 pupils persistently absent in 2007, missing more than 20% of school. We rarely see councils prosecute the parents of these persistent truants. Yet, the parents who removed their children as a one-off to protect their morality may be prosecuted!

If the local council does decide to go through with a prosecution, it would be in line with the government’s approach to the Muslim community. Muslims who believe homosexuality is a sin would be labelled as extremists. Liberal totalitarianism is a growing phenomenon in Britain and the west in general but many people will be shocked that the school can override a parent’s view of what’s appropriate or inappropriate to teach their children.

This latest episode should be a wakeup call for Muslim parents. Muslim parents MUST explain our moral standards to schools and be prepared to take steps to protect our children’s morals and values from a growing agenda to impose liberal values upon them. This is an eye opening for those Muslim parents who keep on sending their children to state schools to be mis-educated and de-educated by non-Muslim monolingual teachers.

The solution of all the problems facing Muslim children is state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers. Those state schools where Muslim children are in majority may be designated as Muslim community schools. Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods.
Iftikhar Ahmad
http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk

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]]> By: Jerry http://www.getreligion.org/2009/06/textbooks-what-textbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-148101 Jerry Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:51:47 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=13567#comment-148101 The real story, of which this is one example, is the effort by the Saudi government to promote Wahhabism throughout the world by using their oil wealth. One of the ways of counteracting this is obviously promoting energy independence. I'm also reminded of a Hadith (saying of Muhammad): <blockquote cite="">The time is near in which nothing will remain of Islam but its name, and of the Qur'an but its mere appearance, and the mosques of Muslims will be destitute of knowledge and worship; and the learned men will be the worst people under the heavens; and contention and strife will issue from them, and it will return upon themselves.</blockquote> The real story, of which this is one example, is the effort by the Saudi government to promote Wahhabism throughout the world by using their oil wealth. One of the ways of counteracting this is obviously promoting energy independence.

I’m also reminded of a Hadith (saying of Muhammad):

The time is near in which nothing will remain of Islam but its name, and of the Qur’an but its mere appearance, and the mosques of Muslims will be destitute of knowledge and worship; and the learned men will be the worst people under the heavens; and contention and strife will issue from them, and it will return upon themselves.

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]]> By: bullmoosegal http://www.getreligion.org/2009/06/textbooks-what-textbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-148097 bullmoosegal Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:36:39 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=13567#comment-148097 This kind of mushy thinking is directly tied to the moral relativism deemed to make one 'unbiased,' that is so popular in our culture, and to the type of moral equivalence practiced by our president. This kind of mushy thinking is directly tied to the moral relativism deemed to make one ‘unbiased,’ that is so popular in our culture, and to the type of moral equivalence practiced by our president.

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