Comments on: Calling out GetReligion http://www.getreligion.org/2008/10/calling-out-getreligion/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=calling-out-getreligion "The press . . . just doesn't get religion." -- William Schneider Sat, 04 Feb 2012 05:47:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Dave http://www.getreligion.org/2008/10/calling-out-getreligion/comment-page-1/#comment-134127 Dave Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:05:22 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=3984#comment-134127 Terry asked: <blockquote>DAVE: So you would say that the key issue is, in fact, abortion rights?</blockquote> Terry, I really have no idea how you got that out of my comments as to why feminists and feminist-influenced journalists can't stand Palin. I think abortion rights are an important issue and, overarching that, I think the key issue in this campaign is what kind of Supreme Court appointments the next administration makes. Since the liberal Justices are also the oldest, a McCain administration -- pursuant to promises McCain has already made -- would give us a kind of Supreme Court lineup we haven't seen since the 1930s. We could get a Robert Borkoid court that rolled back not only abortion rights but contraception rights. But that's my personal political opinion. *None* of that leaked into my comments on Palin and journalists. Terry asked:

DAVE:

So you would say that the key issue is, in fact, abortion rights?

Terry, I really have no idea how you got that out of my comments as to why feminists and feminist-influenced journalists can’t stand Palin.

I think abortion rights are an important issue and, overarching that, I think the key issue in this campaign is what kind of Supreme Court appointments the next administration makes. Since the liberal Justices are also the oldest, a McCain administration — pursuant to promises McCain has already made — would give us a kind of Supreme Court lineup we haven’t seen since the 1930s. We could get a Robert Borkoid court that rolled back not only abortion rights but contraception rights.

But that’s my personal political opinion. *None* of that leaked into my comments on Palin and journalists.

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]]> By: tmatt http://www.getreligion.org/2008/10/calling-out-getreligion/comment-page-1/#comment-134094 tmatt Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:36:21 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=3984#comment-134094 Dave2 And you are saying that media and cultural elites here would not scream bloody murder if Thatcher were running? Rice (even though she seems to be a liberal on cultural issues)? But, as you know, I think her moral and cultural views are the heart of most of the anger. She is not European. Dave2

And you are saying that media and cultural elites here would not scream bloody murder if Thatcher were running? Rice (even though she seems to be a liberal on cultural issues)?

But, as you know, I think her moral and cultural views are the heart of most of the anger. She is not European.

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]]> By: Dave2 http://www.getreligion.org/2008/10/calling-out-getreligion/comment-page-1/#comment-134087 Dave2 Fri, 03 Oct 2008 05:24:20 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=3984#comment-134087 Will wrote: <blockquote>And if, as liberal columnists have claimed repeatedly, conservatives criticized HRC because they “hate and fear a strong woman”, why don’t they hate and fear Lady Thatcher? Or Jean Kirkpatrick? Or Condoleeza Rice?</blockquote> Ha, I've used two of the same three examples in making the point that the hatred of Palin cannot be chalked up to indiscriminate hatred of any conservative woman in power. Will wrote:

And if, as liberal columnists have claimed repeatedly, conservatives criticized HRC because they “hate and fear a strong woman”, why don’t they hate and fear Lady Thatcher? Or Jean Kirkpatrick? Or Condoleeza Rice?

Ha, I’ve used two of the same three examples in making the point that the hatred of Palin cannot be chalked up to indiscriminate hatred of any conservative woman in power.

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]]> By: Will http://www.getreligion.org/2008/10/calling-out-getreligion/comment-page-1/#comment-134050 Will Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:59:24 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=3984#comment-134050 And if, as liberal columnists have claimed repeatedly, conservatives criticized HRC because they "hate and fear a strong woman", why don't they hate and fear Lady Thatcher? Or Jean Kirkpatrick? Or Condoleeza Rice? And if, as liberal columnists have claimed repeatedly, conservatives criticized HRC because they “hate and fear a strong woman”, why don’t they hate and fear Lady Thatcher? Or Jean Kirkpatrick? Or Condoleeza Rice?

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]]> By: tmatt http://www.getreligion.org/2008/10/calling-out-getreligion/comment-page-1/#comment-134046 tmatt Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:10:28 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=3984#comment-134046 CURIOUS: I think our remarks are linked to journalism. Are you saying you do not see journalism errors in the post we have done on Palin? DAVE: So you would say that the key issue is, in fact, abortion rights? CURIOUS:

I think our remarks are linked to journalism. Are you saying you do not see journalism errors in the post we have done on Palin?

DAVE:

So you would say that the key issue is, in fact, abortion rights?

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]]> By: Brian Walden http://www.getreligion.org/2008/10/calling-out-getreligion/comment-page-1/#comment-134032 Brian Walden Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:19:29 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=3984#comment-134032 Dave you make a very good point. On the other hand, if I remember correctly Palin started drawing flak as soon as she was announced as the VP candidate, before she even started making public speeches. I think you're right that her speaking style has only fueled the fire. Pelosi is a little bit different from Palin in that she's personally in favor of "breeding" but... Maybe it really is the combination of everything with Palin and there's not one single issue to point to that puts her in the cross hairs. Dave you make a very good point. On the other hand, if I remember correctly Palin started drawing flak as soon as she was announced as the VP candidate, before she even started making public speeches. I think you’re right that her speaking style has only fueled the fire. Pelosi is a little bit different from Palin in that she’s personally in favor of “breeding” but…

Maybe it really is the combination of everything with Palin and there’s not one single issue to point to that puts her in the cross hairs.

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]]> By: Deacon John M. Bresnahan http://www.getreligion.org/2008/10/calling-out-getreligion/comment-page-1/#comment-134029 Deacon John M. Bresnahan Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:56:54 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=3984#comment-134029 Interesting that the MSM never found Nancy Pelosi's family the hindrance to her coast-to-coast all-consuming representative career on her way to becoming the Speaker of the House. In fact, I never saw it mentioned anywhere that there might be a career-family conflict as she climbed the political ladder. Guess she just fit in with the good ol' girls and boys on political issues (like abortion) so they didn't need to go after her--and her children- with a hatchet. Interesting that the MSM never found Nancy Pelosi’s family the hindrance to her coast-to-coast all-consuming representative career on her way to becoming the Speaker of the House. In fact, I never saw it mentioned anywhere that there might be a career-family conflict as she climbed the
political ladder.
Guess she just fit in with the good ol’ girls and boys on political issues (like abortion) so they didn’t need to go after her—and her children- with a hatchet.

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]]> By: Curious Presbyterian http://www.getreligion.org/2008/10/calling-out-getreligion/comment-page-1/#comment-134023 Curious Presbyterian Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:05:10 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=3984#comment-134023 "let me say that your GetReligionistas have not been defending Palin" LOL. Yes you have. “let me say that your GetReligionistas have not been defending Palin”

LOL. Yes you have.

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]]> By: Dave http://www.getreligion.org/2008/10/calling-out-getreligion/comment-page-1/#comment-134018 Dave Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:42:30 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=3984#comment-134018 Terry, if feminists hated Palin because she's a "breeder" they'd hate Nancy Pelosi, too. They don't. Pelosi has never shaded her intelligence. I stand by my theory. Terry, if feminists hated Palin because she’s a “breeder” they’d hate Nancy Pelosi, too. They don’t. Pelosi has never shaded her intelligence. I stand by my theory.

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]]> By: Brian Walden http://www.getreligion.org/2008/10/calling-out-getreligion/comment-page-1/#comment-134012 Brian Walden Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:22:38 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=3984#comment-134012 I have to go along with Tmatt's "breeder" comment. She's successful and powerful and at the same time the mother of a large family, which she sees as a blessing rather than a curse. Modern feminism has sold out to the idea that women must be like men to be equal. By embracing motherhood as the source of her feminity and still being able to run with the big boys in what's arguably the manliest state in the nation, Palin is a threat to the past half century of the feminist movement. Religiously, Palin has tried to be as private about her beliefs as McCain - so private that the media would rather give National Geographic styled reports on the Church she was a member of 6 years ago than put the work in to find out what she actually believes. On abortion, Palin's policies are no more pro-life than the GOP's stated platform. Politically, I also don't think she's extremely conservative, she's probably somewhere around the middle of her party in that regard. So the the only thing I see left is that she's both a successful mother of a large family and a powerful politician. For some reason it drives feminists nuts - maybe because some of them regret being fooled into thinking they had to choose between motherhood and a career. I have to go along with Tmatt’s “breeder” comment.

She’s successful and powerful and at the same time the mother of a large family, which she sees as a blessing rather than a curse. Modern feminism has sold out to the idea that women must be like men to be equal. By embracing motherhood as the source of her feminity and still being able to run with the big boys in what’s arguably the manliest state in the nation, Palin is a threat to the past half century of the feminist movement.

Religiously, Palin has tried to be as private about her beliefs as McCain - so private that the media would rather give National Geographic styled reports on the Church she was a member of 6 years ago than put the work in to find out what she actually believes. On abortion, Palin’s policies are no more pro-life than the GOP’s stated platform. Politically, I also don’t think she’s extremely conservative, she’s probably somewhere around the middle of her party in that regard. So the the only thing I see left is that she’s both a successful mother of a large family and a powerful politician. For some reason it drives feminists nuts - maybe because some of them regret being fooled into thinking they had to choose between motherhood and a career.

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]]> By: AJ http://www.getreligion.org/2008/10/calling-out-getreligion/comment-page-1/#comment-134006 AJ Thu, 02 Oct 2008 11:45:37 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=3984#comment-134006 Simply, the predominately liberal leaning media does not like Sarah Palin's religion. Her beliefs, which are her own, and do not fit the media's social agenda. While I do not agree with her theology, that's her business. At least that's what the media told us about what Mr. Obama believes or doesn't believe, when it came to his own faith discipline. Ms. Palin's fault here is that she let the media bully her into trying to fit her beliefs into a popular mold. I can assure you that if Sarah Palin was a mainstream Epsicopalian the media would be singing her praises. Simply, the predominately liberal leaning media does not like Sarah Palin’s religion. Her beliefs, which are her own, and do not fit the media’s social agenda. While I do not agree with her theology, that’s her business. At least that’s what the media told us about what Mr. Obama believes or doesn’t believe, when it came to his own faith discipline. Ms. Palin’s fault here is that she let the media bully her into trying to fit her beliefs into a popular mold. I can assure you that if Sarah Palin was a mainstream Epsicopalian the media would be singing her praises.

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]]> By: Stan http://www.getreligion.org/2008/10/calling-out-getreligion/comment-page-1/#comment-134000 Stan Thu, 02 Oct 2008 04:24:02 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=3984#comment-134000 Interesting article: Amidst Her Dodging, Palin Contradicts the Republican Platform on Abortion October 1, 2008 http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/10/amidst-her-dodging-palin-contr.html Interesting article:

Amidst Her Dodging, Palin Contradicts the Republican Platform on Abortion

October 1, 2008

http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/10/amidst-her-dodging-palin-contr.html

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]]> By: Mike Perry http://www.getreligion.org/2008/10/calling-out-getreligion/comment-page-1/#comment-133983 Mike Perry Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:54:14 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=3984#comment-133983 I suspect Sarah Palin drives feminist crazy because: * She's been enormously successful without playing the victim, meaning she's not a whiner like Hillary. Nothing irritates professional victim-mongers like genuine talent. * She's got a large and still growing family that adores her. * She's got a good-looking, supportive, and very masculine husband, one who has won one of the most grueling snow machine races in the world four times. Such men are virtually non-existent among liberals. Can you imagine Obama, Kerry, Gore, or Bill Clinton on a snow machine moving at 80 MPH down a primitive mountain trail? ... And I wouldn't downplay the abortion angle. The very weakness of feminist arguments for abortion, so weak it wasn't even mentioned in geminal book of modern feminism, <em>The Feminine Mystique</em>, means it must be defended all the more shrilly. ("Argument weak, shout louder.") There is a my Seattle neighborhood some sidewalk graffiti that shows Palin with green lipstick and the word "Abort" above it. That's just how furious feminists are about her pro-life beliefs. They want her aborted by any means necessary. And the mainstream press is aiding and abetting their efforts. I suspect Sarah Palin drives feminist crazy because:

* She’s been enormously successful without playing the victim, meaning she’s not a whiner like Hillary. Nothing irritates professional victim-mongers like genuine talent.

* She’s got a large and still growing family that adores her.

* She’s got a good-looking, supportive, and very masculine husband, one who has won one of the most grueling snow machine races in the world four times. Such men are virtually non-existent among liberals. Can you imagine Obama, Kerry, Gore, or Bill Clinton on a snow machine moving at 80 MPH down a primitive mountain trail? …

And I wouldn’t downplay the abortion angle. The very weakness of feminist arguments for abortion, so weak it wasn’t even mentioned in geminal book of modern feminism, The Feminine Mystique, means it must be defended all the more shrilly. (“Argument weak, shout louder.”)

There is a my Seattle neighborhood some sidewalk graffiti that shows Palin with green lipstick and the word “Abort” above it. That’s just how furious feminists are about her pro-life beliefs. They want her aborted by any means necessary. And the mainstream press is aiding and abetting their efforts.

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]]> By: tmatt http://www.getreligion.org/2008/10/calling-out-getreligion/comment-page-1/#comment-133980 tmatt Wed, 01 Oct 2008 23:51:48 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=3984#comment-133980 My take: For a majority of people in major newsrooms, especially women, Palin is a heretic. And don't forget those five children. She is, in New York City sidewalk slang, a "breeder." My take: For a majority of people in major newsrooms, especially women, Palin is a heretic. And don’t forget those five children. She is, in New York City sidewalk slang, a “breeder.”

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]]> By: Dave http://www.getreligion.org/2008/10/calling-out-getreligion/comment-page-1/#comment-133977 Dave Wed, 01 Oct 2008 23:44:51 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=3984#comment-133977 I have a theory as to why Palin drives feminists nutz. It's not her conservatism or her pro-life posture. It the affectation she sometimes uses of seeming a bit simple in order to make a point or get under her listeners' defenses. "Aw, shucks, I'm just a simple country boy" is a posture with a long pedigree among male politicians from non-urban venues. But feminists hate to see a woman, particularly a powerful woman, shading her intelligence. That has an entirely different and unfortunate pedigree among women. MSM journalists, being influenced by feminism, pick up on this without thinking it through. I have a theory as to why Palin drives feminists nutz. It’s not her conservatism or her pro-life posture. It the affectation she sometimes uses of seeming a bit simple in order to make a point or get under her listeners’ defenses.

“Aw, shucks, I’m just a simple country boy” is a posture with a long pedigree among male politicians from non-urban venues. But feminists hate to see a woman, particularly a powerful woman, shading her intelligence. That has an entirely different and unfortunate pedigree among women.

MSM journalists, being influenced by feminism, pick up on this without thinking it through.

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