Comments on: Tanzania or bust http://www.getreligion.org/2007/02/tanzania-or-bust/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=tanzania-or-bust "The press . . . just doesn't get religion." -- William Schneider Sat, 04 Feb 2012 05:07:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: CaNN :: We started it. http://www.getreligion.org/2007/02/tanzania-or-bust/comment-page-1/#comment-92589 CaNN :: We started it. Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:19:42 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=2220#comment-92589 [...] - GET RELIGION: “Tanzania or bust” … (getreligion) [...] […] - GET RELIGION: “Tanzania or bust” … (getreligion) […]

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]]> By: LogicGuru http://www.getreligion.org/2007/02/tanzania-or-bust/comment-page-1/#comment-82880 LogicGuru Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:04:30 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=2220#comment-82880 <em>there is a certain amount of ‘pox on both your houses’ going in amongst people who feel caught between the sides in the fight.</em> Amen. I haven't been to church for 8 years now and won't go back. Liberals don't believe in God in any recognizable sense and have no real interest in religion. Conservatives have moral views on both sexuality and the role of women that are off the wall. The church isn't delivering what religious people have every right to expect. there is a certain amount of ‘pox on both your houses’ going in amongst people who feel caught between the sides in the fight.

Amen. I haven’t been to church for 8 years now and won’t go back. Liberals don’t believe in God in any recognizable sense and have no real interest in religion. Conservatives have moral views on both sexuality and the role of women that are off the wall. The church isn’t delivering what religious people have every right to expect.

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]]> By: Raider51 http://www.getreligion.org/2007/02/tanzania-or-bust/comment-page-1/#comment-82873 Raider51 Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:36:32 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=2220#comment-82873 In my opinion, the best pre-Tanzania analysis was done by Jordan Hylden <a href="http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/?p=635" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Hylden correctly chides my <em>faction </em>(to use <a href="http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/federal/fed10.htm" rel="nofollow">an old phrase</a>), the evangelicals, who may be making "impossible demands." In my opinion, the best pre-Tanzania analysis was done by Jordan Hylden here.

Hylden correctly chides my faction (to use an old phrase), the evangelicals, who may be making “impossible demands.”

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]]> By: evagrius http://www.getreligion.org/2007/02/tanzania-or-bust/comment-page-1/#comment-82652 evagrius Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:50:00 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=2220#comment-82652 Maybe the Anglican Bishops can look at this as they ponder; http://whispersintheloggia.blogspot.com/ Church of the (Soho)Masses. Maybe the Anglican Bishops can look at this as they ponder;

http://whispersintheloggia.blogspot.com/

Church of the (Soho)Masses.

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]]> By: titusonenine » Blog Archive » Ruth Gledhill reports from Tanzania: TEC ‘regret’ ok, says Gang of Four http://www.getreligion.org/2007/02/tanzania-or-bust/comment-page-1/#comment-82600 titusonenine » Blog Archive » Ruth Gledhill reports from Tanzania: TEC ‘regret’ ok, says Gang of Four Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:59:55 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=2220#comment-82600 [...] The report of the ‘Gang of Four’, the group set up to look at TEC’s response to Windsor, has been presented to the Primates meeting in Tanzania today, Thursday. At first glance, it looked good and augured well for future unity. But initial responses from the orthodox are not promising. ‘Chilling,’ is how Kendall Harmon described it, warning that schism now was even closer than before. This report would have the effect of propelling TEC further away from the centre and hasten any breach that is looming, he said. The responses on the conservative site StandFirm support Kendall’s analysis. And I love this analysis from the GetReligion site, from which this ‘Anglican Bomb’ picture is taken: ‘Once again the Africans pray, the Americans pay and the British write the resolutions.’ [...] […] The report of the ‘Gang of Four’, the group set up to look at TEC’s response to Windsor, has been presented to the Primates meeting in Tanzania today, Thursday. At first glance, it looked good and augured well for future unity. But initial responses from the orthodox are not promising. ‘Chilling,’ is how Kendall Harmon described it, warning that schism now was even closer than before. This report would have the effect of propelling TEC further away from the centre and hasten any breach that is looming, he said. The responses on the conservative site StandFirm support Kendall’s analysis. And I love this analysis from the GetReligion site, from which this ‘Anglican Bomb’ picture is taken: ‘Once again the Africans pray, the Americans pay and the British write the resolutions.’ […]

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]]> By: Adam Greenwood http://www.getreligion.org/2007/02/tanzania-or-bust/comment-page-1/#comment-82596 Adam Greenwood Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:48:20 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=2220#comment-82596 Very interesting. Thanks for the update. Very interesting. Thanks for the update.

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]]> By: Jerry http://www.getreligion.org/2007/02/tanzania-or-bust/comment-page-1/#comment-82592 Jerry Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:23:22 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=2220#comment-82592 I wonder if such events as this split affect the number of people who declare themselves 'spiritual but not religious'. I suspect there is a certain amount of 'pox on both your houses' going in amongst people who feel caught between the sides in the fight. But I'm not aware if anyone has studied the effect of this (and other) disputes on church members. Or is there such a study that I forgot about or did not see? I wonder if such events as this split affect the number of people who declare themselves ‘spiritual but not religious’. I suspect there is a certain amount of ‘pox on both your houses’ going in amongst people who feel caught between the sides in the fight. But I’m not aware if anyone has studied the effect of this (and other) disputes on church members. Or is there such a study that I forgot about or did not see?

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]]> By: Paul Barnes http://www.getreligion.org/2007/02/tanzania-or-bust/comment-page-1/#comment-82575 Paul Barnes Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:11:40 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=2220#comment-82575 If the Anglicans collapse, can we have our churches back in England? If the Anglicans collapse, can we have our churches back in England?

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]]> By: Deborah http://www.getreligion.org/2007/02/tanzania-or-bust/comment-page-1/#comment-82572 Deborah Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:05:32 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=2220#comment-82572 <blockquote>One difficulty the entire church is having to come to terms with, though, is that if the US is expelled, the whole edifice could crumble. It is cash from the Episcopal Church that keeps the show on the road.</blockquote> This comment reminds me of an anecdote. A pastor asked Chinese Christian visitor what had impressed him (positively or negatively) about America. He had two observations: (1) entire families in China could live off of what individual Americans throw away every day, and (2) it was amazing what American churches could do without the Holy Spirit. I think what this crisis will ultimately show is that the power of the church catholic (even in the West) can still do "greater things than these" <em>without</em> American cash. Schori, et al., severely underestimate the resolve - and the willingness to sacrifice - of the African bishops.

One difficulty the entire church is having to come to terms with, though, is that if the US is expelled, the whole edifice could crumble. It is cash from the Episcopal Church that keeps the show on the road.

This comment reminds me of an anecdote. A pastor asked Chinese Christian visitor what had impressed him (positively or negatively) about America. He had two observations: (1) entire families in China could live off of what individual Americans throw away every day, and (2) it was amazing what American churches could do without the Holy Spirit.

I think what this crisis will ultimately show is that the power of the church catholic (even in the West) can still do “greater things than these” without American cash. Schori, et al., severely underestimate the resolve - and the willingness to sacrifice - of the African bishops.

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]]> By: Larry Rasczak http://www.getreligion.org/2007/02/tanzania-or-bust/comment-page-1/#comment-82563 Larry Rasczak Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:13:52 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=2220#comment-82563 "What really matters is who gathers at the altar for Holy Eucharist " So we Anglicans have now taken Holy Communion and turned it into the old Cold War game of "Who Shows up on Lennin's Tomb for the May Day Parade". Sigh. “What really matters is who gathers at the altar for Holy Eucharist ”

So we Anglicans have now taken Holy Communion and turned it into the old Cold War game of “Who Shows up on Lennin’s Tomb for the May Day Parade”.

Sigh.

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]]> By: evagrius http://www.getreligion.org/2007/02/tanzania-or-bust/comment-page-1/#comment-82560 evagrius Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:50:43 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=2220#comment-82560 Thank you for the links. I find them quite informative and interesting. They certainly do provide a wide spectrum of opinion. Thank you for the links. I find them quite informative and interesting.
They certainly do provide a wide spectrum of opinion.

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]]> By: elfgirl http://www.getreligion.org/2007/02/tanzania-or-bust/comment-page-1/#comment-82549 elfgirl Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:54:37 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=2220#comment-82549 Terry, here are the backup links for three of the Classical Anglican Net blogs which are afflicted by server crashes: <a href="http://t19backup.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Titusonenine</a> <a href="http://webelf.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">The webelves of CaNN</a> (Anglican.tk) <a href="http://anglicanprayer.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">Lent & Beyond</a> On the traditionalist side of the Aisle, Stand Firm is must reading, and due to incredible hard work and much pre-planning by their webmaster, their servers are holding up so far under the onslaught even though their traffic has beaten that of T19 the past few days: <strong><a href="http://www.standfirminfaith.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.standfirminfaith.com</a></strong> On the progressive side of the aisle, Inclusive Church has been providing lots of reports from Dar on its blog: <a href="http://inclusivechurch.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://inclusivechurch.blogspot.com</a> But in reality, it is probably the "old media" Living Church magazine team that has been scooping everyone. They have had the most news so far. Their pumped up online news section is fantastic: <a href="http://www.livingchurch.org/news.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.livingchurch.org/news.asp</a> Terry, here are the backup links for three of the Classical Anglican Net blogs which are afflicted by server crashes:

Titusonenine

The webelves of CaNN (Anglican.tk)

Lent & Beyond

On the traditionalist side of the Aisle, Stand Firm is must reading, and due to incredible hard work and much pre-planning by their webmaster, their servers are holding up so far under the onslaught even though their traffic has beaten that of T19 the past few days:

http://www.standfirminfaith.com

On the progressive side of the aisle, Inclusive Church has been providing lots of reports from Dar on its blog:
http://inclusivechurch.blogspot.com

But in reality, it is probably the “old media” Living Church magazine team that has been scooping everyone. They have had the most news so far. Their pumped up online news section is fantastic:
http://www.livingchurch.org/news.asp

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