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	<title>Comments on: Ave Maria and the MSM square off</title>
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	<description>&#34;The press . . . just doesn&#039;t get religion.&#34; -- William Schneider</description>
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		<title>By: Bob Koch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Koch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 05:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you missed Katie talking to the Ave Maria gentlemen, it isn&#039;t hard to tell you what it was like.  Just imagine her interviewing a pile of dung, except she would have been more courteous to the dung.  The Today Show is not the place to see adults 
acting like grownups.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you missed Katie talking to the Ave Maria gentlemen, it isn&#8217;t hard to tell you what it was like.  Just imagine her interviewing a pile of dung, except she would have been more courteous to the dung.  The Today Show is not the place to see adults<br />
acting like grownups.</p>
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		<title>By: AirborneVet</title>
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		<dc:creator>AirborneVet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Mar 2006 18:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi! I love what you guys are doing! I am Catholic and I teach religion. Of course, you might ask me which religion. I teach about Islam and the Middle East and, in some of my classes, I compare Islam with Christianity. I have to keep things pretty general since I work for a government contractor. I would prefer to teach in the university system some day. I will definitely keep an eye on your town and the developments with the univserity. Contrary to what the MSM says, there are many people interested in living and working in Ave maria! Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi! I love what you guys are doing! I am Catholic and I teach religion. Of course, you might ask me which religion. I teach about Islam and the Middle East and, in some of my classes, I compare Islam with Christianity. I have to keep things pretty general since I work for a government contractor. I would prefer to teach in the university system some day. I will definitely keep an eye on your town and the developments with the univserity. Contrary to what the MSM says, there are many people interested in living and working in Ave maria! Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Maureen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maureen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Mar 2006 16:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about gated or covenanted communities? They see no lawsuits, even though they impose all sorts of detailed rules on what is and isn&#039;t allowed. I&#039;d rather have pornography sales outlawed by agreement rather than sheds or basketball hoops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about gated or covenanted communities? They see no lawsuits, even though they impose all sorts of detailed rules on what is and isn&#8217;t allowed. I&#8217;d rather have pornography sales outlawed by agreement rather than sheds or basketball hoops.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Mar 2006 16:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m surprised none of the media have brought up comparisons to Rajneeshpuram yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised none of the media have brought up comparisons to Rajneeshpuram yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Rew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Rew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Mar 2006 01:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The community will have public schools, which will pass out contraception and advocate its use during sex education. The public libraries will have questionable books on the shelves. How will the town deal with these issues?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The community will have public schools, which will pass out contraception and advocate its use during sex education. The public libraries will have questionable books on the shelves. How will the town deal with these issues?</p>
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		<title>By: Deacon John M. Bresnahan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deacon John M. Bresnahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 23:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the late Roman Empire and the early Middle Ages Christianity could have devolved into a semi-pagan cult as it became more and more part of the wider society. But monasteries (including the towns that sprang up around them) blossomed all across Christendom. They were usually &quot;zones&quot; of some of the strongest, purest, most passionately orthodox Catholic belief and practice. 
      Call them ghettoes, call them religious gated communities, call them theocricies or what you will. But they became the backbone that saved and spread orthodox Christianity.
      Here in the U.S. most immigrant Catholics at first lived in towns or city neighborhoods that in the 1960&#039;s elitist Catholics began to sneeringly call ghetto neighborhoods. But these were equivalent to the monastic &quot;zones&quot; that helped protect and spread Catholicism. These zones also helped protect Catholics from secularist infection (while aiding in their political integration and power). This all had a value in a society where probably only a paltry 5-10% of the overall population-as today- was deeply, devoutly Catholic.
      Now as these strong &quot;zones&quot; of Catholic belief and practice have disintegrated it is clear many Catholics--especially in academia and the media--have become agents of secularism among Catholics. And there is no place where the Catholic Faith is powerfully proclaimed and practiced to give the lie to what they are doing. They proclaim from the rooftops they are good Catholics BUT, BUT, BUT, and by claiming their immoral lifestyles or bizarre beliefs are perfectly good Catholicism convince many unwary Catholics that such must be the case .                                        Thus it is great to read of what Monaghan is envisioning and trying to do in Florida.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the late Roman Empire and the early Middle Ages Christianity could have devolved into a semi-pagan cult as it became more and more part of the wider society. But monasteries (including the towns that sprang up around them) blossomed all across Christendom. They were usually &#8220;zones&#8221; of some of the strongest, purest, most passionately orthodox Catholic belief and practice.<br />
      Call them ghettoes, call them religious gated communities, call them theocricies or what you will. But they became the backbone that saved and spread orthodox Christianity.<br />
      Here in the U.S. most immigrant Catholics at first lived in towns or city neighborhoods that in the 1960&#8217;s elitist Catholics began to sneeringly call ghetto neighborhoods. But these were equivalent to the monastic &#8220;zones&#8221; that helped protect and spread Catholicism. These zones also helped protect Catholics from secularist infection (while aiding in their political integration and power). This all had a value in a society where probably only a paltry 5-10% of the overall population-as today- was deeply, devoutly Catholic.<br />
      Now as these strong &#8220;zones&#8221; of Catholic belief and practice have disintegrated it is clear many Catholics&#8212;especially in academia and the media&#8212;have become agents of secularism among Catholics. And there is no place where the Catholic Faith is powerfully proclaimed and practiced to give the lie to what they are doing. They proclaim from the rooftops they are good Catholics BUT, BUT, BUT, and by claiming their immoral lifestyles or bizarre beliefs are perfectly good Catholicism convince many unwary Catholics that such must be the case .                                        Thus it is great to read of what Monaghan is envisioning and trying to do in Florida.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 22:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t watch much TV &quot;news&quot; coverage any more so missed Katie Couric et al. The subject of religious corporations and municipalities features a fascinating interaction of civil rights. If Monaghan&#039;s name were &quot;Muhammed&quot; and he were setting up a community based on Sharia principles (but not necessarily laws), I wonder how much of a stir it would cause in the press vs. among ordinary Americans? Obviously we have examples of religious &quot;gatherings&quot; such as the Amish, LDS, and eastern and new age groups as well as cults like that in Waco. As usual, one would hope that the press would cover these issues with a little bit of context and fairness, regardless of the religious preference of the group in question. Sadly, I no longer expect even the pretense of even-handedness. My strong impression is that only secular humanists get a free pass with the media to &quot;legislate morality&quot; on others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t watch much TV &#8220;news&#8221; coverage any more so missed Katie Couric et al. The subject of religious corporations and municipalities features a fascinating interaction of civil rights. If Monaghan&#8217;s name were &#8220;Muhammed&#8221; and he were setting up a community based on Sharia principles (but not necessarily laws), I wonder how much of a stir it would cause in the press vs. among ordinary Americans? Obviously we have examples of religious &#8220;gatherings&#8221; such as the Amish, LDS, and eastern and new age groups as well as cults like that in Waco. As usual, one would hope that the press would cover these issues with a little bit of context and fairness, regardless of the religious preference of the group in question. Sadly, I no longer expect even the pretense of even-handedness. My strong impression is that only secular humanists get a free pass with the media to &#8220;legislate morality&#8221; on others.</p>
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		<title>By: Avram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 22:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the other hand, &lt;i&gt;Newsweek&lt;/i&gt; and Meadows did let this go through unchallenged: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;If forced to choose between two otherwise comparable drugstores, Barron Collier would favor the one that honored that request, says its president and CEO, Paul Marinelli.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s a pretty odd policy. I mean, if the town&#039;s owners have a no-contraceptives policy, then that policy should apply regardless of whether the two drugstores are otherwise comparable, right? And if they don&#039;t have such a policy, then contraceptives shouldn&#039;t matter, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the other hand, <i>Newsweek</i> and Meadows did let this go through unchallenged: </p>
<blockquote><p>If forced to choose between two otherwise comparable drugstores, Barron Collier would favor the one that honored that request, says its president and CEO, Paul Marinelli.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s a pretty odd policy. I mean, if the town&#8217;s owners have a no-contraceptives policy, then that policy should apply regardless of whether the two drugstores are otherwise comparable, right? And if they don&#8217;t have such a policy, then contraceptives shouldn&#8217;t matter, right?</p>
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		<title>By: dk</title>
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		<dc:creator>dk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 21:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the least! Keep it up Terry!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the least! Keep it up Terry!</p>
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