Comments on: Is that chaplain a priest or not? http://www.getreligion.org/2006/01/is-that-chaplain-a-priest-or-not/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=is-that-chaplain-a-priest-or-not "The press . . . just doesn't get religion." -- William Schneider Thu, 09 Feb 2012 08:04:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Chaplain Horner http://www.getreligion.org/2006/01/is-that-chaplain-a-priest-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-13577 Chaplain Horner Wed, 29 Mar 2006 00:45:59 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=1323#comment-13577 To all, Chaplain Gordon James Klingenschmitt is not with the "Communion of Evangelical Episcopal Churches" (CEEC). He is with another group on the East Coast called "Evangelical Episcopal Church" (EEC) And to really confuse you we have a diocese in Spain called the Evangelical Episcopal Church with a website in English. However, I have not been able to find the other groups website. To all, Chaplain Gordon James Klingenschmitt is not with the “Communion of Evangelical Episcopal Churches” (CEEC). He is with another group on the East Coast called “Evangelical Episcopal Church” (EEC) And to really confuse you we have a diocese in Spain called the Evangelical Episcopal Church with a website in English. However, I have not been able to find the other groups website.

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]]> By: Eric T Shank http://www.getreligion.org/2006/01/is-that-chaplain-a-priest-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-11844 Eric T Shank Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:00:03 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=1323#comment-11844 I was the Independent Duty Hospital Corpsman onboard the USS ANZIO at the time of the sermon in question and while Chaplain Klingenschmidt was onboard. As a smaller ship we do not have a Medical Officer just the Independent Duty Corpsman so I had many dealings with Chaplain Klingenschmidtalmost daily regarding the sailors onboard. Many sailors with mental health concerns or stress related concerns would often come to me to get assistance and advice. The general response I would get was that most did not want to speak to Chaplain Klingenschmid. I would try to assure them that the Chaplain was there to assist there spiritual needs regardless of their personal beliefs. It is my belief and that is all that it is that a Navy Chaplain has to be neutral when dealing with sailors of many different beliefs. I do not claim to be an expert on religion. The Chaplain is someone that the crew needs to be able to turn to under arduous and difficult circumstances. When sailors feel pressure or uncomfortable with what is being said to them then they are not going to seek the Chaplains assistance. The question as to why there was no Catholic Priest at the memorial is simple, LT Klingenschmidt is the ships Chaplain and in most cases that is the individual that the majority of the crew feels comfortable with. He should be the one leading the crew in this time of tragedy. I have worked with many Chaplains in my 21 years in the US Navy and my experiences have always been positive. Chaplain Klingenschmidt was the one to inform me that my Grandmother had passed and he prayed with me in his way and I was not offended BUT that is me others may be offended and that is why in public the Chaplain has to remain neutral. I personally did not hold any ill feelings towards Chaplain Klingenschmidt but was dissapointed to find some inconsistencies in his statement of events onboard the ANZIO involving myself. Things that never occurred or are exaggerated for effect specifically regarding a young Jewish sailor. He states on his website that I as the ships "Doc" denied the sailor a request to grow his beard in accordance with his religion, well I only approve disapprove no shave status for medical reasons and never even spoke to the sailor about the issue. Secondly being responsible for the health and well being of the crew I can assure you that every effort was made to accomodate the sailors special needs as far as food and at no point ( I saw him daily ) were any concerns raised about his health. He rarely came to sickcall and did not complain to me about any issues. Questions about the nonavailability of Kosher meals confuse me as whenever I did Food Sevice Inspections there was an abundance of the Kosher meals. I personally saw the sailor coming onboard several times with Mcdonalds Food, not an expert but I do not think that is considered Kosher. Sorry this is so long just had to get it out. Thank you I was the Independent Duty Hospital Corpsman onboard the USS ANZIO at the time of the sermon in question and while Chaplain Klingenschmidt was onboard. As a smaller ship we do not have a Medical Officer just the Independent Duty Corpsman so I had many dealings with Chaplain Klingenschmidtalmost daily regarding the sailors onboard. Many sailors with mental health concerns or stress related concerns would often come to me to get assistance and advice. The general response I would get was that most did not want to speak to Chaplain Klingenschmid. I would try to assure them that the Chaplain was there to assist there spiritual needs regardless of their personal beliefs. It is my belief and that is all that it is that a Navy Chaplain has to be neutral when dealing with sailors of many different beliefs. I do not claim to be an expert on religion. The Chaplain is someone that the crew needs to be able to turn to under arduous and difficult circumstances. When sailors feel pressure or uncomfortable with what is being said to them then they are not going to seek the Chaplains assistance. The question as to why there was no Catholic Priest at the memorial is simple, LT Klingenschmidt is the ships Chaplain and in most cases that is the individual that the majority of the crew feels comfortable with. He should be the one leading the crew in this time of tragedy. I have worked with many Chaplains in my 21 years in the US Navy and my experiences have always been positive. Chaplain Klingenschmidt was the one to inform me that my Grandmother had passed and he prayed with me in his way and I was not offended BUT that is me others may be offended and that is why in public the Chaplain has to remain neutral. I personally did not hold any ill feelings towards Chaplain Klingenschmidt but was dissapointed to find some inconsistencies in his statement of events onboard the ANZIO involving myself. Things that never occurred or are exaggerated for effect specifically regarding a young Jewish sailor. He states on his website that I as the ships “Doc” denied the sailor a request to grow his beard in accordance with his religion, well I only approve disapprove no shave status for medical reasons and never even spoke to the sailor about the issue. Secondly being responsible for the health and well being of the crew I can assure you that every effort was made to accomodate the sailors special needs as far as food and at no point ( I saw him daily ) were any concerns raised about his health. He rarely came to sickcall and did not complain to me about any issues. Questions about the nonavailability of Kosher meals confuse me as whenever I did Food Sevice Inspections there was an abundance of the Kosher meals. I personally saw the sailor coming onboard several times with Mcdonalds Food, not an expert but I do not think that is considered Kosher. Sorry this is so long just had to get it out. Thank you

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]]> By: Navy chaplain http://www.getreligion.org/2006/01/is-that-chaplain-a-priest-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-11431 Navy chaplain Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:54:25 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=1323#comment-11431 The press coverage of Chaplain Klingenschmidt's fast has been abysmal. Talk about not doing basic investigation as a reporter: 1) The reporters didn't identify the Chaplain K's denomination. 2) The reporters didn't investigate his claimed linkage between the lawsuit of the 50 (I thought it was over 60 plantiffs) and his difficulties on ANZIO. 3) There seems to be no interviews with the ANZIO's captain or the senior chaplains out to get Chaplain K. 4) Why was there no Catholic priest at the memorial service in question? There is one stationed at that chapel permanently. 5) Is Chaplain K's claim that the Chaplain Corps has a policy in contravention of federal law true? Really pathetic job by the reporter. No wonder he had to create his own website to get his story out. The press coverage of Chaplain Klingenschmidt’s fast has been abysmal. Talk about not doing basic investigation as a reporter:

1) The reporters didn’t identify the Chaplain K’s denomination.

2) The reporters didn’t investigate his claimed linkage between the lawsuit of the 50 (I thought it was over 60 plantiffs) and his difficulties on ANZIO.

3) There seems to be no interviews with the ANZIO’s captain or the senior chaplains out to get Chaplain K.

4) Why was there no Catholic priest at the memorial service in question? There is one stationed at that chapel permanently.

5) Is Chaplain K’s claim that the Chaplain Corps has a policy in contravention of federal law true?

Really pathetic job by the reporter. No wonder he had to create his own website to get his story out.

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]]> By: George Conger http://www.getreligion.org/2006/01/is-that-chaplain-a-priest-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-11336 George Conger Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:46:59 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=1323#comment-11336 Hal, the point I was making was that it is very easy to verify if someone is a minister of the Episcopal Church --- something that was not done by those preparing these articles. Hal, the point I was making was that it is very easy to verify if someone is a minister of the Episcopal Church —- something that was not done by those preparing these articles.

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]]> By: Michael D. Harmon http://www.getreligion.org/2006/01/is-that-chaplain-a-priest-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-11329 Michael D. Harmon Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:56:28 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=1323#comment-11329 Hal and Darren: Guess there are a lot of CEC readers of this site. I'm a journalist who is also a CEC deacon. Thanks, Hal, for posting that clarifying note. Hal and Darren: Guess there are a lot of CEC readers of this site. I’m a journalist who is also a CEC deacon. Thanks, Hal, for posting that clarifying note.

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]]> By: Nancy Reyes http://www.getreligion.org/2006/01/is-that-chaplain-a-priest-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-11323 Nancy Reyes Fri, 13 Jan 2006 05:19:11 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=1323#comment-11323 Am I missing something? This Episcopal priest gave a sermon at the funeral of a Catholic sailor... Which implies that there was NO Catholic priest available... Now, the USS Anzio has "Crew: 33 Officers, 27 Chief Petty Officers and approx. 340 Enlisted.." But then the article said it was at "the base chapel"... This is an old article noting that there are a larger percentage of Catholic priests per Catholic sailor (33 v 24%)...http://www.sdreader.com/php/cityshow.php?id=C110598 .... So what puzzles me: Why did an Episcopal priest preach at a Catholic funeral? No Catholic priest available? And what was the religion of the chaplains who complained about it? Sorry I missed earlier posts on the subject.. Am I missing something?
This Episcopal priest gave a sermon at the funeral of a Catholic sailor…
Which implies that there was NO Catholic priest available…

Now, the USS Anzio has “Crew: 33 Officers, 27 Chief Petty Officers and approx. 340 Enlisted..”
But then the article said it was at “the base chapel”…

This is an old article noting that there are a larger percentage of Catholic priests per Catholic sailor (33 v 24%)…http://www.sdreader.com/php/cityshow.php?id=C110598
….

So what puzzles me: Why did an Episcopal priest preach at a Catholic funeral? No Catholic priest available? And what was the religion of the chaplains who complained about it?

Sorry I missed earlier posts on the subject..

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]]> By: tmatt http://www.getreligion.org/2006/01/is-that-chaplain-a-priest-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-11318 tmatt Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:26:02 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=1323#comment-11318 Chip: Excellent catch! I was waiting to see who would spot that? Remember me to the O newsroom. Did you know I once worked there? Chip:

Excellent catch! I was waiting to see who would spot that?

Remember me to the O newsroom. Did you know I once worked there?

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]]> By: ChipWilson http://www.getreligion.org/2006/01/is-that-chaplain-a-priest-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-11317 ChipWilson Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:15:31 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=1323#comment-11317 The CEEC is a curious group -- especially because thrice-divorced and discredit Christian comedian Mike Warnke is listed as one of its presiding bishops. The CEEC is a curious group — especially because thrice-divorced and discredit Christian comedian Mike Warnke is listed as one of its presiding bishops.

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]]> By: tmatt http://www.getreligion.org/2006/01/is-that-chaplain-a-priest-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-11316 tmatt Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:09:48 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=1323#comment-11316 HAL: I am very familiar with the CEC history. Note that I said its CRITICS would call it a splinter church. See: http://tmatt.gospelcom.net/column/1996/03/06/?printable=2 HAL:

I am very familiar with the CEC history. Note that I said its CRITICS would call it a splinter church.

See: http://tmatt.gospelcom.net/column/1996/03/06/?printable=2

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]]> By: Hal Duston http://www.getreligion.org/2006/01/is-that-chaplain-a-priest-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-11315 Hal Duston Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:59:01 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=1323#comment-11315 tmatt: I had a similar discussion with a blogger on the east coast, as he referenced a newspaper article and didn't include the word "Charismatic" in his description of Charismatic Episcopal priest during the 2005 or 2004 March for Life in DC. Neither the CEEC, nor the CEC are "splinter" churches, but rather independent charismatic evangelical groups that were called back to the traditions of the ancient church. The CEC (my home) receives its apostolic line from the Catholic Apostolic Church of Brazil. Darren: Good to see you! As a newly confirmed member of the CEC, I'm always on the lookout for CEC bloggers. George Conger: I would not expect for ecdplus to list Lt Klingenschmitt as they only list ECUSA clergy, and Lt Klingenschmitt is a CEEC priest. tmatt:

I had a similar discussion with a blogger on the east coast, as he referenced a newspaper article and didn’t include the word “Charismatic” in his description of Charismatic Episcopal priest during the 2005 or 2004 March for Life in DC.

Neither the CEEC, nor the CEC are “splinter” churches, but rather independent charismatic evangelical groups that were called back to the traditions of the ancient church. The CEC (my home) receives its apostolic line from the Catholic Apostolic Church of Brazil.

Darren:

Good to see you! As a newly confirmed member of the CEC, I’m always on the lookout for CEC bloggers.

George Conger:

I would not expect for ecdplus to list Lt Klingenschmitt as they only list ECUSA clergy, and Lt Klingenschmitt is a CEEC priest.

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]]> By: AF Chaplain http://www.getreligion.org/2006/01/is-that-chaplain-a-priest-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-11311 AF Chaplain Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:07:37 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=1323#comment-11311 I have had a hard time understanding this issue. When the Air Force begins a chaplain's training, back in the candidate stages, a lot of attention is given to the fact that we cannot pray in Christ's name in a public setting. We went so far as to break the class I was in into two groups: Those that would pray without mentioning even the term "God" and those who would. Those who wouldn't had to give a reason why, and those who would had to come up with the prayer. We were told two things. First, we would not be made to pray (in public) in a manner that was inconsistent with our faith, and would not be punished for so refusing. Secondly, that if we felt we had to offer the prayer and offer it in the name of a specific deity, it might be time to do some discernment about whether we should be military chaplains. When I read about chaplains claiming to be either blindsided or forced I remember that day. I went into this eyes wide open, knowing the rules under which I would be acting out my ministry. If the rules are too restricting for some, why are they still in the military? I think of it much like missionary work abroad. Missionary work requires special gifts and has constraints. It isn't for everyone. Neither is what military chaplains do. I have had a hard time understanding this issue. When the Air Force begins a chaplain’s training, back in the candidate stages, a lot of attention is given to the fact that we cannot pray in Christ’s name in a public setting. We went so far as to break the class I was in into two groups: Those that would pray without mentioning even the term “God” and those who would. Those who wouldn’t had to give a reason why, and those who would had to come up with the prayer.

We were told two things. First, we would not be made to pray (in public) in a manner that was inconsistent with our faith, and would not be punished for so refusing. Secondly, that if we felt we had to offer the prayer and offer it in the name of a specific deity, it might be time to do some discernment about whether we should be military chaplains.

When I read about chaplains claiming to be either blindsided or forced I remember that day. I went into this eyes wide open, knowing the rules under which I would be acting out my ministry. If the rules are too restricting for some, why are they still in the military? I think of it much like missionary work abroad. Missionary work requires special gifts and has constraints. It isn’t for everyone. Neither is what military chaplains do.

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]]> By: George Conger http://www.getreligion.org/2006/01/is-that-chaplain-a-priest-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-11310 George Conger Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:42:57 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=1323#comment-11310 The Episcopal Church's on line clergy directory http://www.ecdplus.org/ does not list Lt Klingenschmitt. On another note ... does consuming the host count as ending a fast? It may end a hunger strike but does it count as nourishment in a religious setting? The Episcopal Church’s on line clergy directory http://www.ecdplus.org/ does not list Lt Klingenschmitt.

On another note … does consuming the host count as ending a fast? It may end a hunger strike but does it count as nourishment in a religious setting?

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]]> By: Darren http://www.getreligion.org/2006/01/is-that-chaplain-a-priest-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-11307 Darren Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:42:37 +0000 http://www.getreligion.org/?p=1323#comment-11307 As a CEC subdeacon, I appreciate you catching this. One of those small yet important details that it would be great if reporters knew more about. As a CEC subdeacon, I appreciate you catching this. One of those small yet important details that it would be great if reporters knew more about.

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